JonnyJ
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It was taking the piss out of people who enjoy that type of stuff. Those type of people would refer to the word banter like that. The very same people that use words like "tekkers" and "amazeballs"
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Ben G
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JonnyJ
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What summed up Hamilton for me was Korea this season. Driving with a broken ARB, at the mercy of anyone who came to pass him, he got passed by I think Raikkonen and instead of thinking "there's nothing I can do, may as well just let him go" he re passed him at the next corner, even though he knew he was going to lose the place eventually, he did the same with Grosjean and Hulkenberg. That's a proper racer.
Most button fans would be crying that he's losing time  they'd be right but I know who I'd rather watch and who has the correct attitude to racing.
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Kyle T
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Agreed 100% with Jonny.
I was trying to explain this to some of the non-LH fans I went to Monza with. I don't care how close his points count is to Buttons, fact is Button is slow and boring, he cruises and collects.
He really does throw the car around and he's happy to have it slightly less "under him" than the other drivers. He was on the gas sooner than anybody else out of Monza T1 in qualifying, which is something the TV feed doesn't really get across very well. As a result of this his car often had a cheeky "twitch" on the way out of the chicane where the other cars were planted.
I've not looked at the stats, but I imagine the average qualifying difference must be close to .200 between JB and LH over their time together at McLaren which is crazy considering .200 was enough to separate P1 from P10 on some races this year.
Imagine if LH is also .200 ahead of both NR and MSC through raw pace, maybe the 2012 Merc could have seen a few more podiums 
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JonnyJ
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The thing with F1 is stats are very misleading. To me what counts are what other F1 drivers and ex drivers say and there's a pattern to who they tend to mention as the best drivers in F1, its always Seb, Alonso and Lewis.
Alonso, the guy who is meant to hate Lewis constantly refers to Lewis as one of the best, he rates him higher than seb and vice versa. There's a rivalry but massive respect between the two of them. You never hear Alonso banging on about Webber or Button.
Button is a good driver, very good infact, but to take the step up requires something you camy teach, a massive desire to win, at all costs. Alonso, Seb and Lewis all have that, they all hate losing and they are all moody fuckers when they aren't winning.
Put it this way, there's a contract going at say, Red Bull one season because Seb had to retire, they need someone to win them the title. They get 2 "applications" one is Button, one is Lewis. Who are they going to pick? Anyone that thinks they'd pick Button is actually a mentalist.
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JonnyJ
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Quite interesting what you say about how Lewis was getting on the power earlier than everyone at Monza Kyle. He'd suit a red bull soooo much, that's a car that works best when you power out of corners, due to how the aero works on the car (apparently seb is really good at driving that way but Webber not so much, hence the speed difference between the two), if he was doing that in a McLaren and still quicker on the power than Seb, imagine what he could do in one of those 
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Ryan
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Yes Jenson you lovely bearded man!!
Disagree with a lot of comments, winks don't make things facts.
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Dom
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JJ - Could have just said you'd love to rim Lewis' backside, would have saved you typing out nearly a page worth of replies!
Edit - Spot on for JJ replies
[Edited on 04-12-2012 by Dom]
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Nath
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quote:
Originally posted by Ryan
Disagree with a lot of comments, winks don't make things facts.
Tell that to Daimo
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JonnyJ
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Lewis is amazing 
<3 Lewis
Anyone who doesn't is clearly racist and also a bit thick
Edit: forgot the fact wink
[Edited on 04-12-2012 by JonnyJ]
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Ryan
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by JonnyJ
Anyone who doesn't is clearly racist and also a bit thick
Someone on another forum complained about Lewis not being in the Autosport awards and stated that it must have been racism 
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JonnyJ
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That was me 
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noshua
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Expected some new drivers signing on with all the replies, not people stating how much they love particular drivers
EDIT: Did anyone see this? Ferrari president basically slagging off Bernie by saying he's a useless old bastard;
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/186603/1/montezemolo_old_age_incompatible_with_certain_roles.html
[Edited on 06-12-2012 by noshua]
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Tbf Bernie is fairly useless apart from his ability to line his pockets rather well  [/CONTROVERSY]
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I like you Dave, you are a man of men
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Dave's maybe capable of a drive-by cuddle
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Dom
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Picked up from ScrabF1; looks like 2014 aero changes have been scrapped -
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A number of changes have been made to the power unit regulations with the aim of limiting technology in some areas in order to reduce development costs.
Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification.
The minimum weight limit has been raised to compensate for additional power unit weight.
http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-sport-council-2012
Basically the bit (1.6 turbo engine) everyone didn't want, stays; the bit (aero) everyone wanted, gets scrapped - genius
Doesn't make the future bright for Hamilton at Merc though; oh well
Oh and to keep JJ and Ben G happy; Hamilton won the 'ERA Club Trophy' in the BRDC Awards
http://www.brdc.co.uk/BRDC-Annual-Awards-2012
Also, Formula-E 
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=aDmagYyotNU
[Edited on 06-12-2012 by Dom]
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Ryan
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What's this bollocks about cars being driven by elecric in the pits from 2017? Fuck that, just let them strap a filthy v12 on the back and go as fast as possible. Formula 1 is supposed to be the top level, not fucking corsa vxr hybrids.
JB 4 lyf.
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Kyle T
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Electric sounds fine to me in the pits, seems a bit futile though when they're hammering around at 3mpg during the race
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jrdn7
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Electric power in the pits could be a bit dodgy? I mean one spark near the refuelling rigs & it'll cause a bit more than a bang.
Turbo engines will be cool tho, bring another variation of strategy into it.
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Kyle T
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They've not had refuelling in the pits since 2009.
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jrdn7
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Yeah, but those rigs are still live with fuel for other races held at the particular tracks. They can also be used in practise as well as far as I know?
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Kyle T
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Yeah they've still got refuelling rigs, but they're done at a much slower rate so there's less risk of fuel pissing all over the pitlane
No different to driving through a petrol station forecourt in your Prius I guess
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Ryan
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But why? What is the purpose of carrying an electric motor around to use in the pits? I don't get it.
It's getting a bit too technical and not enough mechanical for me. I like the cars of the 90's, you can smell the fumes coming off them through the tv.
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jrdn7
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Wouldn't go near one of them cunting Prius things if you paid me.
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by jrdn7
Electric power in the pits could be a bit dodgy?
They've been running KERs since 09 season and they've only had one fire because of it - Senna's Williams this season (although i don't think they completely ruled that it was a short with the system that started it).
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Originally posted by Ryan
But why? What is the purpose of carrying an electric motor around to use in the pits? I don't get it.
Again, they already have KERs and this would simply be an extension of that system (ie: it'd use the motor that's attached to the gearbox). And the idea is to save fuel.
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Originally posted by Ryan
It's getting a bit too technical and not enough mechanical for me. I like the cars of the 90's, you can smell the fumes coming off them through the tv.
F1 has always been a technical and technology driven series 
Tbf it sounds like you should stick to Nascar; good mechanical, dumbed down borefest series for the simpletons
[Edited on 07-12-2012 by Dom]
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