Kerry
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no we arnt though
u are sayin he has a 39% loss and im sayin its 27.9%
ive shown u where i got my figure now u tell me where u got 39% from please
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mav
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[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]
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mav
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[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]
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Kerry
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quote:
Originally posted by Lucky B
I think were saying the same thing Kerry.
99.5 + 39 =138.5
99.5 + 39% =138.305
Same diff really 
no we arnt sayin the same thing
i have said it 10 times over the difference between his power@ wheels and power @ flywheel is a 27.9% loss not 39%
u are addin 39% of 99.5 bhp and i dont even know why because its 39bhp
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Lucky B
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Thats what Sooty said, his losses were 39, he never said % or BHP
I assumed it was %
As i said 99.5 + 39 =135.5
99.5 + 39% = 138.305 unless my calculator is wrong...
[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Lucky B]
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Andy
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Whichever way you calculate it, these transmission losses seem high to me. For the record, T499 makes 180bhp at the wheels and 214 (calculated) at the fly - that's either 16% or 19% losses according to whether you use Lucky's method (calculating up from wheel figures) or calculating down from theoretical fly figures.
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sxi16vjoe
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[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]
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J da Silva
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well 39% of 138bhp is 53.82 bhp so that would mean from 138 bhp at the engine it would amount to 85.67bhp at the wheel 
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Kerry
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Originally posted by Andy
Whichever way you calculate it, these transmission losses seem high to me. For the record, T499 makes 180bhp at the wheels and 214 (calculated) at the fly - that's either 16% or 19% losses according to whether you use Lucky's method (calculating up from wheel figures) or calculating down from theoretical fly figures.
yes its high but 27.9% and 28% is certainly closer to the average of 25% than 39% is 
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Andy
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Oh and BTW, Dave (Lucky B) knows more about engines than most of the people on this site added together 
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Kerry
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Originally posted by Andy
Oh and BTW, Dave (Lucky B) knows more about engines than most of the people on this site added together
this has nothin to do with knowledge of engines its simple maths 
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Andy
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I never commented on the maths
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Kerry
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quote:
Originally posted by VenomTurbo
well 39% of 138bhp is 53.82 bhp so that would mean from 138 bhp at the engine it would amount to 85.67bhp at the wheel
so now do u see why im sayin its not 39%????????
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sxi16vjoe
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[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]
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Kerry
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Originally posted by Andy
I never commented on the maths
and noone commented on daves engine knowledge either
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Lucky B
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39% is high Kerry, if you read what i'm trying to tell ya, 25% losses are the norm for a front drive car but(the now sleeping Sooty) and i reckon that the high losses are due to the cars sitting in cold temps for 1 1/2 hours.
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sxi16vjoe
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Originally posted by Andy
I never commented on the maths
but the argument was never his over his knowledge of engines ws it?
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Andy
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I did - there's a few folk on here that could learn a bit from him
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J da Silva
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27.9% of 138.5bhp is 38.64 so 138.5-38.64=99.86 bhp 
and for those maths novices th way to work that out would have been 27.9/100x138.5 =the loss from engine to wheel
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Kerry
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Originally posted by Lucky B
39% is high Kerry, if you read what i'm trying to tell ya, 25% losses are the norm for a front drive car but(the now sleeping Sooty) and i reckon that the high losses are due to the cars sitting in cold temps for 1 1/2 hours.
ITS NOT 39% TRANSMISSION LOSS ITS 27.9%
will someone else please work out the % loss between 138.5 bhp and 99.5 bhp please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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J da Silva
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quote:
Originally posted by Kerry
quote:
Originally posted by VenomTurbo
well 39% of 138bhp is 53.82 bhp so that would mean from 138 bhp at the engine it would amount to 85.67bhp at the wheel
so now do u see why im sayin its not 39%????????
yesh, i worked it all out within 5 minutes of readin this, very very simple indeed and i've had 6 pints of stella and a few shots of whatever it was,cant remember its name now
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Kerry
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Originally posted by Lucky B
*slap my hand on my head*
Kerry, you said your losses were 50.5 not 39
we are talkin about sootys car arnt we
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mav
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J da Silva
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kerry its 27.9% loss
and that makes it 39bhp loss
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[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]
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