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I do love the way people keep bleating on about transition periods, and "it was to be expected" etc etc, how many clubs have changed managers and pretty much continued as is, if not better, City, RM, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea all recently changed managers and haven't had this elusive "transition period"
Im aware the squad was in decline, but its still the same players that won the league last season, and perhaps the best teams may have gotten better, but please show me how Swansea, sunderland etc have overtaken United since last season
Majority of squad has to go or Moyes.
[Edited on 07-01-2014 by Steve]
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Ben G
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Fucking lol, have that you glory hunting twats.
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Steve
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Wore my white united top today Ben gilbert that I had to special order from Germany, hows that for an Arm chair fan
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Ben G
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Ultimate tosser.
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Rick Draper
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
I do love the way people keep bleating on about transition periods, and "it was to be expected" etc etc, how many clubs have changed managers and pretty much continued as is, if not better, City, RM, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea all recently changed managers and haven't had this elusive "transition period"
Every other club sacked their manager because they were wank, ferguson retired.
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Cavey
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*ahem*
http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1uig2l/question_is_david_moyes_underperforming_as/ceinr8j
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Steve
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Article lost credibility as soon as he started banding people twats
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Steve
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He talks about moyes being tactically versed. Well iv yet to see that. I see lots of square passing and going backwards. I don't care about the results as long as I can see some new ideas and progression, but I don't.
Im willing to give the time for new players to come in and start to achieve this but starting to lose the confidence a touch
[Edited on 08-01-2014 by Steve]
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Marc
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quote:
Originally posted by Rick Draper
Every other club sacked their manager because they were wank, ferguson retired.
By that you are suggesting we were wank under Ferguson last season, thus branding every team below us low par too?
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Cavey
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You gotta be honest, united shouldn't of won the league last year, they did because the rest of the big teams were worse. They improved, united didn't. Youve also had RVP out for a long time, he single handedly won the league last year
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quote:
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Originally posted by Rick Draper
Every other club sacked their manager because they were wank, ferguson retired.
By that you are suggesting we were wank under Ferguson last season, thus branding every team below us low par too?
he was saying everyone else was wank. thats why their managers were sacked
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United don't have a comparable squad to any of the teams mentioned above. SAF knew how to get the very best out of them, and as Cavey said, the teams around United were shit last season. Not that United were rampant in winning it.
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mwg
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I think we are doing worse than the squad we have available to us should be doing. So that has to be partly to blame on Moyes for not getting the best out of them. If it's because some of the players don't like him then he needs to do something about it and bring in some quality players that do want to play for him. The longer we are out of the top 4, the harder it will be to get back in it.
I wonder if a top manager of the likes of Mourinho or Guardiola would have this same team performing as badly for them as it is for Moyes?
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Steve
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No I dont think they would, which is my fear
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mwg
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If someone else could do better with the same team then you would have to start thinking Moyes is not the man for the job
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Steve
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Thats why i said he either needs to get rid of the majority of the team, or leave himself, he will get nowhere trying to make what he has work, clearly they dont want to play for him
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RVP being healthy for the whole year last year was key. Arsenal said for a number of years if they had him fit the whole season we would have had a chance at winning.
One thing I don't get is he bought Fellani and has had him on the bench? Why did he buy him?
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mwg
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The problem he's got is that you can't just ship half the team out in one transfer window.
I think what he needs to do short term is stick to playing his preferred combination of Jones/Evans/Smalling at CB, get RVP and Rooney fit and buy 1 or 2 top quality midfielders in to create and tackle and take some of the pressure off the defence. The rest is good enough to be able to get to work for the time being, certainly should be good enough to beat some of the opposition we have come unstuck against lately and then he can make more changes in future transfer windows
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I think he should sell Rooney tbh. Might sound absurd but let's be serious, he'll be the first banging on the door to leave if they don't start performing soon, and he's at the top of his game and hitting his peak years. Then they might change the shape instead of trying to accommodate the big guns in an outdated formation.
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Steve
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strangely my old man said the same
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mwg
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Then buy Mata  
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Marc
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Don't agree. We have successfully played the majority of our exsiting squad in 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and 4-5-1.
The formation isn't the issue.
Either its the tactics Moyes is usingm, which I don't think it is, or some of the players aren't prepared to fight for the club anymore. Which I am suspecting to be the case.
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Steve
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The interesting thing, if you read SAFs latest book, he goes into how when he said he was resigning before the team went into decline, i think they lost 4 straight games back then, and he went on to say how they lost their heads, playing pretty much exactly like they are now, seems pretty inevitable based on that really.
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mwg
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Do you think AVB could turn it around?
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Originally posted by Marc
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Don't agree. We have successfully played the majority of our exsiting squad in 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and 4-5-1.
The formation isn't the issue.
Either its the tactics Moyes is usingm, which I don't think it is, or some of the players aren't prepared to fight for the club anymore. Which I am suspecting to be the case.
Aye they have been successful with it in the past, but eventually you'll be caught out if you play the same formations.
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