Ian
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Can we talk about Vnuk please
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3CorsaMeal
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Thing is, accidents happen, why can't any have a accident these days without needing money to make things better.
Its like people who got molested in the 70's, wait 30yrs until the accuser is dead and then kick off, all for some money as justice can't be done.
Greedy cunts
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Ian
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Can we talk about the Vnuk EU ruling which looks to be amending our own Road Traffic Act to include the requirement for unlimited indemnity cover for all self-propelled vehicles being used anywhere.
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3CorsaMeal
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Yep, i just googled it and was bought about by a farmer hitting a guy on a ladder and the ladder man needed some money from the farmer to make him better.
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sc0ott
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Any damage to the ladder?
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Ian
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The ladder was fine but motorsport, track days, quad biking on a field and driving a fork lift truck around your yard won't be.
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sc0ott
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Doesn't affect me but I'll add it to my list of reasons for wanting to leave.
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whitter45
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I must admit I haven’t taken too much notice of either campaign and the facts/non facts they state as I just see middle class men and women (politicians) see it as an opportunity to take chunks out of each other and for Boris it’s a great platform to promote his campaign for PM
However, based on my limited knowledge my impression is both campaigns have positives and negatives
If we look at the stay campaign their biggest driver is trade policy which can only be a good thing to have access to 500M+ people to trade across Europe. If not surely companies will move to a country that has this access to trade
For the exit campaign Border control seems to be a big element which again in my opinion is only a positive move - we have over 1/3M people immigrating into the UK each year and our services can't maintain our current population - hold them back sort of services out then have a scoring matrix for access
What I see is, the government had to promise a referendum to maintain power. What should have happened is all parties but their bollocks view to one side, ask People of Britain what they want the country to look like for the next 30+years and taken that to the EU to negotiate new terms, laws and legislation
For me, whatever the outcome there are no real winners
Also what is more worrying is we appear to live in the UK bubble - I have been working through Europe all year and all the EU countries are watching this very closely because they see what’s coming;
each EU country will see their people wanting a similar vote - so if we stay and then a big power in the EU has the same vote and leaves that will be the start of a EU breakdown and so whatever campaigns we have backed using the fact/non fact statements will become irrelevant
We should have come together at a political level, involved the people and gone to the EU to negotiate
Yes I know the PM was meant to have done that and came back with a few points but to me it was nowhere near good enough – but a referendum is not the answer
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sc0ott
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David Cameron promised to crack down on immigration but he didn't. Now he's giving the same bullshit excuses as part of his remain campaign.
And as for the trade policy, i think it's all just scaremongering. If uk left we'll still have access to it plus more countries and we won't have the eu raping uk business.
The eu shafts Cameron and he takes it like a bitch. The eu decides how the uk is run, not the PM.
Who even knows the members of the eu and what they do? You'd think you would hear more from the real people who manage our country.
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willay
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no one seems to mention TTIP 
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quote:
Originally posted by sc0ott
David Cameron promised to crack down on immigration but he didn't. Now he's giving the same bullshit excuses as part of his remain campaign.
And as for the trade policy, i think it's all just scaremongering. If uk left we'll still have access to it plus more countries and we won't have the eu raping uk business.
The eu shafts Cameron and he takes it like a bitch. The eu decides how the uk is run, not the PM.
Who even knows the members of the eu and what they do? You'd think you would hear more from the real people who manage our country.
Have you been living under a rock? The immigration rules were reformed this year mainly for non-EU migrants! EU freedom of movement rules cant be challenged BUT its not as simple as just rocking up and claiming benefit like most would lead you to believe, also EU migrants have their healthcare etc. paid for while they are still citizens of member states, its only if they want to neutralise their citizenship do they become an expense on our welfare state.
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sc0ott
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So are you saying our pm delivered on what he promised by reducing the amount of immigration?
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DaveyLC
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Yes, the immigration that we can control has been reduced.. He never promised to control movement from the EU because he cant do that.. That would be like me promising to make 3CM intelligent.
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Steve
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So he has achieved mass migration of < 100,000 then?
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC
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Originally posted by sc0ott
David Cameron promised to crack down on immigration but he didn't. Now he's giving the same bullshit excuses as part of his remain campaign.
And as for the trade policy, i think it's all just scaremongering. If uk left we'll still have access to it plus more countries and we won't have the eu raping uk business.
The eu shafts Cameron and he takes it like a bitch. The eu decides how the uk is run, not the PM.
Who even knows the members of the eu and what they do? You'd think you would hear more from the real people who manage our country.
Have you been living under a rock? The immigration rules were reformed this year mainly for non-EU migrants! EU freedom of movement rules cant be challenged BUT its not as simple as just rocking up and claiming benefit like most would lead you to believe, also EU migrants have their healthcare etc. paid for while they are still citizens of member states, its only if they want to neutralise their citizenship do they become an expense on our welfare state.
are you sure davey? I thought he asked for controls over benefits and the like for EU migrants, so they must be here/work for x number of years until they get anything.
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DaveyLC
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Originally posted by whitter45
For the exit campaign Border control seems to be a big element which again in my opinion is only a positive move - we have over 1/3M people immigrating into the UK each year and our services can't maintain our current population - hold them back sort of services out then have a scoring matrix for access
The argument has no weight though; We can already freely control non-EU immigration.
As for immigration from EU member states our public services actually employ quite a large proportion of EU migrants (4% of nurses and 10% of doctors are citizens of other EU member states).
Also if you are a citizen of another member state your own state will/should foot the bill for any healthcare.
Economic migrants and refugees from non-EU states are where the problem lies and being a member of the EU is completely irrelevant to this.
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sc0ott
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Not from what I've gathered and I'm pretty sure the general public all have access to the same sources which state otherwise. Response to the figures.
[Edited on 03-06-2016 by sc0ott]
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DaveyLC
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The official figures up to the end of 2015 show net migration tailing off, mainly driven by a decline in non-eu immigration (Due to the new legislation).
Non-EU immigration: 277,000
EU Immigration 270,000
Re-posting the un-founded BOLLOCKS that is being pedalled by the out campaign really isn't helping matters.
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Steve
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But he said he was aiming below 100,000
We are still way off that, and I dont even think that number is achievable while being in EU
[Edited on 03-06-2016 by Steve]
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sc0ott
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Yup, clearly below 100,000.
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willay
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
But he said he was aiming below 100,000
We are still way off that, and I dont even think that number is achievable while being in EU
[Edited on 03-06-2016 by Steve]
Under 100k while in the EU is impossible if you are counting EU migrants, freedom to roam/travel/whatever is one of the core basics of being in the EU. End of story.
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DaveyLC
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Originally posted by Steve
But he said he was aiming below 100,000
That's NET migration: Which was at 188,000 end of last year..
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Steve
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Wrong, thats just EU net. He was referring to total Net Migration in his promise, this would mean total EU net migration would need to be roughly half that to meet that promise
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics
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The latest net migration statistics show that in the year ending December 2015, net migration to the UK was 333,000.
[Edited on 03-06-2016 by Steve]
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sc0ott
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So has he delivered on his promise?
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Steve
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Actually not half, would need to be a lot more than half
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