johnhara1
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Adam
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Originally posted by johnhara1
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Originally posted by Adam
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Originally posted by johnhara1
Your whole life would be on this card - doctors records \ loans \ drivers license \ etc etc etc
There's no way they could manage that.
What makes you think that? Having your whole life history accessible via 1 card doesnt sound impossible to me.
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by johnhara1]
The sort of database needed to hold all the data on a person would just be so unmanageable. I'm sure any DBA's on here would be able to agree but 60ish million people in the UK, 1000 bits of information per person and you're talking 60,000,000,000 fields of data
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R Lee
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Originally posted by Hamish
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Originally posted by R Lee
In Hong Kong, they have been using for absolutely years.
It works great and everyone must carry one at all times.
I've never heard of ID theft over there.
And do you think that all news from Hong Kong is reported over here?
My parents live there, and i'm there quite regularly.
And I can watch the news over here 
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Adam
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Originally posted by R Lee
In Hong Kong, they have been using for absolutely years.
It works great and everyone must carry one at all times.
I've never heard of ID theft over there.
Both Australia and the USA have worse problems of ID theft than Britain, precisely because of general reliance on a single reference source of Social Security Numbers, your use of a card will be the transmission of a code or hash of various bits of data and would effectivly form your electronic signature. If someone intercepts that hash then what's to stop them impersonating you.
I realise that's a very simple explanation but hay-ho.
From NO2ID.org
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Many western countries that have ID cards do not have a shared register. Mostly ID cards have been limited in use, with strong legal privacy protections. In Germany centralisation is forbidden for historical reasons, and when cards are replaced, the records are not linked. Belgium has made use of modern encryption methods and local storage to protect privacy and prevent data-sharing, an approach opposite to the Home Office's. The UK scheme is closest to those of some Middle Eastern countries and of the People's Republic of China—though the latter has largely given up on biometrics.
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by Adam]
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R Lee
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I had to get thumb prints scanned in etc not so long ago.
I'm not bothered if it happens here anyway. They can follow me into the toilet and watch me shit if thats what they want to do
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AlunJ
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Originally posted by R Lee
In Hong Kong, they have been using for absolutely years.
It works great and everyone must carry one at all times.
I've never heard of ID theft over there.
it may do, but this is the UK and the government have proved even they can't look after our details safely
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R Lee
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Originally posted by AlunJ
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Originally posted by R Lee
In Hong Kong, they have been using for absolutely years.
It works great and everyone must carry one at all times.
I've never heard of ID theft over there.
it may do, but this is the UK and the government have proved even they can't look after our details safely
Point taken 
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Mather.16v
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im all for it
some people are far to paranoid
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Adam
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Originally posted by Mather.16v
im all for it
some people are far to paranoid
Or some people are just far too trusting of the gov't
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Mather.16v
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i couldnt care to be honest, im going to live in new zealand for a year
people complain about immigrants / criminals / peados / rapeists etc, isnt this a way of easily finding them
weigh up the pros and cons
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Half Pint
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Originally posted by drunkenfool
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
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yeh quite a bit, will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft, underage drinking, people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
untill people start to make forged id cards,
no matter how hard they make them to copy,
criminals will find a way of duplicating them.
biggest waste of money imo and another way of controlling us.
But what about the database itself? Even if they did manage to make a fake card, could they get a fake entry put into the database?
Im personally for it, I dont see what all the fuss is about.
well they would probably offshort the database with loads of badgers putting the info in, such badgers are open to exploiting the law and selling information as happens today... thus you have a loop hole
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Doug
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I can see pros and cons.
unless you have something to hide then I dont see the problem
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taylorboosh
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Originally posted by Hamish
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
yeh quite a bit, will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft, underage drinking, people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
and the government will also know where you are all the time and what you are doing. No thanks
HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING TO HIDE?
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Adam
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Originally posted by Doug
I can see pros and cons.
unless you have something to hide then I dont see the problem
Have nothing to hide but after all the data losses I don't really want everyone to have access to ALL my details
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Adam
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
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Originally posted by Hamish
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
yeh quite a bit, will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft, underage drinking, people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
and the government will also know where you are all the time and what you are doing. No thanks
HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING TO HIDE?
Nope, have you? You don't mind your personal data being sold to people (DVLA)? or just lost?
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LeeM
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dont see much of a problem really, im sure all my details are held somewhere already anyway
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Half Pint
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Christ,
most of your details can be got from the internet already, as if another goverment fuck up will really matter!
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by Half Pint]
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ed
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Originally posted by Adam
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Originally posted by johnhara1
I think:
Eventually the card would be used to do everything, even buy your groceries so then cash itself could be removed.
This would mean all your money was simply numbers on a piece of paper, cash would not exist. This would stop any cash in hand work \ drug dealers etc who work with cash only.
Everything like go through the card. It will be like a lifetime of big brother.
So the small family run shop making very little turnover/profit should be expected to purchase;
A valid card reader
Internet connection
and unless it's built into the device some sort of firewall/encyption technology for it to check your details back to home base?
Every single part of your life would be logged and recorded somewhere and how would this work for internet purchases?
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by Adam]
Well, nearlly every shop has a chip and pin machine.
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Adam
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Originally posted by ed
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Originally posted by Adam
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Originally posted by johnhara1
I think:
Eventually the card would be used to do everything, even buy your groceries so then cash itself could be removed.
This would mean all your money was simply numbers on a piece of paper, cash would not exist. This would stop any cash in hand work \ drug dealers etc who work with cash only.
Everything like go through the card. It will be like a lifetime of big brother.
So the small family run shop making very little turnover/profit should be expected to purchase;
A valid card reader
Internet connection
and unless it's built into the device some sort of firewall/encyption technology for it to check your details back to home base?
Every single part of your life would be logged and recorded somewhere and how would this work for internet purchases?
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by Adam]
Well, nearlly every shop has a chip and pin machine.
Which I'm pretty sure is paid for by the bank, if this is a gov't scheme it's gonna have to be paid for in tax
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drax
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To be fair, the only terrorists the government are going to need to look out for soon, are its own countries populas. People will not stand when they get to breaking point, and hopefully that'll be soon.
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