shaunmods
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Hey guys. My dads trying to talk me out of doing an xe conversion on my car at the minute. So I'm just trying to work out what would be involved in putting an x16xe into my 1.0 12v instead  Would I be right in thinking I need the following:
- Engine
- F15 Gearbox
- ECU + Chip
- Wiring loom
- x16 Shafts and hubs (or can I use my 1.0 ones?)
- X16xe Fuel pump - Do the fuel lines need to be changed? Or will it be ok seeing as the 1.0 is MPI?
- Mounts
- Uprated Brakes, Probably go for 2.0 ones
- Manifold, down pipe and cat pipe
- 16v Dials
Anything I've have missed guys? Cheers 
[Edited on 07-04-2009 by shaunmods]
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Sean-B
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Your dad is very very knowledgable I'd listen to him!!
Buy a 1.6 White sport. Insurance will be cheaper. Will be more reliable and will have more features.
Then just swap all your mods over. I'm so glad I didn't convert my old one.
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Torsa g
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quote:
Originally posted by shaunmods
Hey guys. My dads trying to talk me out of doing an xe conversion on my car at the minute. So I'm just trying to work out what would be involved in putting an x16xe into my 1.0 12v instead Would I be right in thinking I need the following:
- Engine
- F15 Gearbox
- ECU + Chip
- Wiring loom
- x16 Shafts and hubs (or can I use my 1.0 ones?)
- X16xe Fuel pump - Do the fuel lines need to be changed? Or will it be ok seeing as the 1.0 is MPI?
- Mounts
- Uprated Brakes, Probably go for 2.0 ones
- Manifold, down pipe and cat pipe
- 16v Dials
Anything I have missed guys? Cheers
[Edited on 07-04-2009 by shaunmods]
Personally shaun i would listen to your dad as your car is nice and neat as where putting the 20xe in will ruin the look as the engine is not made for the car and reliability wise arnt the best unless you like tinkering, but saying that ive had 2 problems with mine and that was snapping the gearbox bell housing (giving it many of berries) which was my fault. and the bottom end going ( which again my fault for not treating it nicely) apart from that its been spot on, but if you need any pointers ect or a hand just let me know as im only down the road!
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shaunmods
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Originally posted by Sean-B
Your dad is very very knowledgable I'd listen to him!!
Buy a 1.6 White sport. Insurance will be cheaper. Will be more reliable and will have more features.
Then just swap all your mods over. I'm so glad I didn't convert my old one.
You're right mate it would a hell of a lot easier but without sounding ghey I'm attached to this car  If I bought a 1.6 sport even though it would look the same it wouldnt be the same if you get me lol.
Plus I really want to have a go at a conversion! Dads up for doing it with me as long as its an engine hes ok with 
I'm thinking rather than buying all the bits seperatly I might be better off buying a spares or repairs 1.6 sport so I know I'll have everything I need.
Cheers Tom, Yeah got to agree with your there. A 1.6 is going to be a lot newer engine, meant for the car. Will be cheaper for me to insure as well which is a big issue for me
[Edited on 07-04-2009 by shaunmods]
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am4nf
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do a 1.8 instead
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Torsa g
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quote:
Originally posted by shaunmods
Hey guys. My dads trying to talk me out of doing an xe conversion on my car at the minute. So I'm just trying to work out what would be involved in putting an x16xe into my 1.0 12v instead Would I be right in thinking I need the following:
- Engine
- F15 Gearbox
- ECU + Chip
- Wiring loom
- x16 Shafts and hubs (or can I use my 1.0 ones?)
- X16xe Fuel pump - Do the fuel lines need to be changed? Or will it be ok seeing as the 1.0 is MPI?
- Mounts
- Uprated Brakes, Probably go for 2.0 ones
- Manifold, down pipe and cat pipe
- 16v Dials
Anything I have missed guys? Cheers
[Edited on 07-04-2009 by shaunmods]
The fuel lines have the same unions as the 1.6 rail so you will be fine there
You can use your hubs shaun and you could use your shafts and cv aswell
You'll need the transponder that goes around the ignition barrel to go with the imobilzing shizzle.
Plus i think you need the water pipes and radiator of a 16v ect,
And dont forget about the epas system, im not to clued up on wiring these up so im not to sure how its done, unless you run a fluid rack
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Torsa g
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quote:
Originally posted by shaunmods
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Originally posted by Sean-B
Your dad is very very knowledgable I'd listen to him!!
Buy a 1.6 White sport. Insurance will be cheaper. Will be more reliable and will have more features.
Then just swap all your mods over. I'm so glad I didn't convert my old one.
You're right mate it would a hell of a lot easier but without sounding ghey I'm attached to this car If I bought a 1.6 sport even though it would look the same it wouldnt be the same if you get me lol.
Plus I really want to have a go at a conversion! Dads up for doing it with me as long as its an engine hes ok with
I'm thinking rather than buying all the bits seperatly I might be better off buying a spares or repairs 1.6 sport so I know I'll have everything I need.
Cheers Tom, Yeah got to agree with your there. A 1.6 is going to be a lot newer engine, meant for the car. Will be cheaper for me to insure as well which is a big issue for me
[Edited on 07-04-2009 by shaunmods]
id do the conversion with a powerbox on , as sean will praps tell you, these engines arent the best when the original inlet on and are hard to et around, but the inlet will make such an improvement on bhp and fitting the engine ect. ID GO FOR IT!!
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shaunmods
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Forgot about the radiator etc. Nice one Tom Not Sure what I would do about power steering. I'd love to have it but I bet its a right ball ache to do. I can live without it.
Its Seans fault im looking at this conversion  After seeing how well his goes with the new inlet etc I think its going to be more than enough power for me
[Edited on 07-04-2009 by shaunmods]
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Torsa g
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Originally posted by shaunmods
Forgot about the radiator etc. Nice one Tom Not Sure what I would do about power steering. I'd love to have it but I bet its a right ball ache to do. I can live without it.
Its Seans fault im looking at this conversion After seeing how well his goes with the new inlet etc I think its going to be more than enough power for me
[Edited on 07-04-2009 by shaunmods]
im sure it would be easy enuf to get the epas running on it ive looked at it before and its noit that hard to be honest, i would be a breaker and then rebuild the whole engine,
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Davidkent
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For the EPS Don't you need the whole Column though, Which means Dash out?
Driveshafts and CV's etc Should be the same, aswell as Hubs, Struts, etc etc.
Engine, box, ECU, Transponder Stuff, Radiator and Pipes etc and It'd be wise to use the Ancillaries such as alternator and started from the 1.6 one.
Change the brakes too and you won't know yourself.
Insurance wise, You'd be much better off buying a 1.6 Sport in White and Swapping your mods over, as insurance companies often won't insure cars with an Engine change - Others do but at a price, and you usually have to be at least 19 etc.
I'm doing an XE soon on my brothers car and can't wait - But you do need to bear in mind time too, as it may be a few days job in the end, and if its your main car its not ideal!
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shaunmods
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Originally posted by Davidkent
Insurance wise, You'd be much better off buying a 1.6 Sport in White and Swapping your mods over, as insurance companies often won't insure cars with an Engine change - Others do but at a price, and you usually have to be at least 19 etc.
I'm doing an XE soon on my brothers car and can't wait - But you do need to bear in mind time too, as it may be a few days job in the end, and if its your main car its not ideal!
Yeah the insurance is the only real concern I have. But I will be 19 and touch wood have 2ncb so it should be ok
Mines not got powersteering as its only a merit so I'm used to not having it. Shouldnt think it would be that much heavier with a 1.6 in it?
I only use the car to get to college and work really. Do hardly an miles at all so I'll be able to manage without it I would have thought. If not I could always get a little run around to get me about.
Thanks for you help and advice everyone
[Edited on 07-04-2009 by shaunmods]
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Davidkent
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Fair shout - Other bonus is your not sticking a 150 brake 2.0 in it, so it shouldn't be half as bad
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swill_omnibus
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Originally posted by am4nf
do a 1.8 instead
Got a point there shaun  It's what im doing
Also exhaust system will need to be changed
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Sean-B
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no power steering
i was just as attached to my 1.2, and when i got the 1.6 for a month it still didn't feel like mine, but once i changed a few things i soon saw it as my own.
i think you will regret putting it in your 1.0L tbh, especally with out power steering.
i went back in my 1.2 the other day and couldn't beleive how hard it is to adjust lines mid corner etc.
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swill_omnibus
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And if it's the 1.6 wouldn't it be an F13 gearbox?
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Sean-B
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Originally posted by swill_omnibus
And if it's the 1.6 wouldn't it be an F13 gearbox?
no
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swill_omnibus
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Ah right, thought the 1.4 and 1.6 we're same gearbox wise.
What box does the 1.6 use? F15 i'd imagine then yeah?
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Sean-B
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yup, the limiter would be way to low in 5th for the 1.6
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swill_omnibus
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Ahhh right i see. Hmmm, wonder if i should re-order my clutch for my 1.8 conversion........ whoops 
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Sean-B
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well in my 1.6 i get 80ish in 3rd 105ish in 4th and limiter (130-135) ish in 5th,
the f13 redlines at 120ish i believe far to low for a 1.8
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swill_omnibus
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Yeah i think it's 120 as remember DaveyLC was saying that.
I'm sure it fits on 1.8 though? Ker-fuddled! I'll have to read some my notes to make sure!
Cheers though Sean, learn sumin new everyday thank you.
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Sean-B
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yea it will, fit and you will get faster accel, but it will be revving quite high on the motorway etc, tbh its not like your gong 120+ very often
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swill_omnibus
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Yeah im not much off a speeder to be honest, but thought as i just want to get my car up and running again i favored just keeping my F13.
Sorry Shaun spamming up your thread here!
Either way go for a 1.8
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aaronc190
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if your take the gearbox off..you should put a flat flywheel on it instead of the big chunky one..
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