Skipz
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Her boyfriend at the time had a GSI, nippy in a straightline, but show it a corner in a spirited fashion & it was bad to the point of being dangerous, I took it on track once & was destroyed by a completely standard 1.8 Focus in timed laps.
Stupid cunt from a Forum i'm on thinks the Corsa GSi can be raped by a Focus and the Astra's 
[Edited on 21-12-2004 by h18_oab]
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I'd like to see them destroy ma GSI, where did you see this skippy???
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Oooooooh... Fight! Fight! Fight!
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Skipz
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revolutions.cc it's full off assholes that drive high powered american muscle cars, jap crap or even worse...
BMW's
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hoi leave the japs outta it,,,,,
you know there the way forward 
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yeh ones that work 
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not often for jap cars to break down when proper maintained so please enlighten me my learned friend
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Skipz
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hahaha Jap crap is the way forward i agree well engineered and high performance engines... but japan only caught onto the performance Market in the 80's with the Introduction of the R32 Skyline, Supra and others
not much else you can say about them really is there??? they may have ruled the International motor industry for the last 20years but where's the history 
[Edited on 20-12-2004 by h18_oab]
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Put up a link to the thread skip
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Skipz
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will do..
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Skipz
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http://www.bite-me.org/viewtopic.php?p=21875#21875
Used Ryans car as an Example of the Tuning capabilities of the Sports..
Extra Reply added to that thread aswell couldn't resist it
[quote="..i..(-_-)..i..Sk1pZ"][quote="sparkymarky"]I'm afraid Skipz that real world experiance dictates that Jono is right.
Having driven a varied variety of cars in my life time i have to say that the Corsa is everything that is wrong with Vauxhall.
Funny that My mates on Corsasport are having a real problem keeping a straight face they are pissing themselves at this thread as we speak!
[Edited on 20-12-2004 by h18_oab]
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Originally posted by h18_oab
hahaha Jap crap is the way forward i agree well engineered and high performance engines... but japan only caught onto the performance Market in the 80's with the Introduction of the R32 Skyline, Supra and others
not much else you can say about them really is there??? they may have ruled the International motor industry for the last 20years but where's the history
lol times change history has had its day,,if thats what materd then wed all be running around in minis and various other cars and marques that have had there day,,,,wht will be intresting is to see who if any1 can knock the jap boys off there slot
[Edited on 20-12-2004 by h18_oab]
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Originally posted by rustyarchs
lol times change history has had its day,,if thats what materd then wed all be running around in minis and various other cars and marques that have had there day,,,,wht will be intresting is to see who if any1 can knock the jap boys off there slot
[Edited on 20-12-2004 by h18_oab]
History may have had it's day but it gives a Marque meaning.. Aston martin didnt just pop up with the DB7 and become a Company! Bentley didnt just appear with the Continental and say " Well here you go Chaps a Car for the Posh" they all have history around them, Ferrari has History surrounding them,
Japan may be at the Top of their Game and are ruling the international motor industry in the respective markets their cars are in... but have Japan actually Built a Supercar that can take on the likes of these...
Pagani Zonda
Ferrari Enzo
Ford GT
Modena
Ferrari F40 & F50
Mclaren F1
Jaguar XJ220
Bugatti EB110
cos the Skyline aint a super car thats gonna beat them neithers the NSX, and neither is the Supra...
Japan make quality Everyday cars, they make superb performance cars that are highly tuneable, but i cant think of one supercar they have built!
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well technically ford bought over 100% rights to aston martin in 1994 and it was them that gave the go ahead for the DB7 to be put into production so you could say it was ford that said ''well here you go chaps a car for the posh''
im sure ford also bought over jaguar in the early 90s
ferrari is fiat
fords part of GM
so i believe is mclaren
so it would seem that if you want a marques name you just have to go out and buy one since there name alone cant keep them outta the red
now if you wanna play with big jap cars just look at any of the big jap tuners to see what the cars you mentioned above are capable of so just imagine what the jap companys could do if they had that notion 2,,
and id say that midnights gold skyline prob could take them on 
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Originally posted by rustyarchs
fords part of GM
I'm Deffinately gonna Have a Very merry Xmas after reading that!!!!
There is No way In hell Ford is part of General motors
General Motors own.. Vauxhall, holden, opel, daewoo, Cheverolet, Pontiac blah blah blah the list goes on
Ford own... jaguar,land rover, Aston martin, mazda, Volvo, and again the list is endless
Sorry mate but Ford being owned by General Motors has to be the Quaote of 2004!!!!
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shit error there was meant to be chev
oopsi!!got hang up on the ford bit owning aston!!!
ah well you may win on that bit seeing as you cant win anything else
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uh-huh.... we believe you mate thousands wouldn't
what do you mean i cant win anything else.. the jap Argument is not finished yet...
Mclaren isn't owned by any manufacturer aswell might i add, it's a formula 1 team that their cars are powered by mercedes..
the Mclaren F1 Road car was designed by Mclaren F1 cannot remember for the life of me what engine was in it though..
the new mclaren Road Car is the Mercedes- Mclaren SLR built by mercedes developed by Mclaren
Oh and saying about Tuning a Japenese car doesnt make it a super car if it beats one...
[Edited on 21-12-2004 by h18_oab]
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think the f1 was bmw engine
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Skipz
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not sure Starkie, whatever it is it's fooking quick!!
there is how ever a 40% share of the TAGMclaren Group being sold to Daimler-Chrylser, this doesn not mean Mclaren are owned by Daimler Chrysler as Mclaren still have 60% Control over the company
Also fastest production car is held by the Mclaren... can Japan beat that??
Stats for the Mclaren F1 GTR
ENGINE
TYPE NUMBER
S70/2 GTR LM
CONFIGURATION
V12
V-ANGLE
60 DEG
DISPLACEMENT
6,064 CC
BORE
86.00mm
STROKE
87.00mm
COMPRESSION RATIO
10.5:1
IGNITION SYSTEM
Transistorised with 12 individual coils
INDUCTION SYSTEM
12 single throttle valves, carbon fibre airbox
VALVE TRAIN
Chain driven double overhead camshafts with continuously variable inlet valve timing
ENGINE BLOCK
Cast Aluminium V12
CYLINDER HEADS
4 valves per cylinder, cast aluminium alloy
FLYWHEEL
Aluminium
CAM CARRIERS/ COVER
Cast Magnesium
LUBRICATOR SYSTEM Dry Sump, magnesium casting with four scavenge pumps and one pressure pump
FUEL 95-98 RON Unleaded
OIL Shell TMO synthetic 5W40
POWER 680 bhp @ 7,800 rpm
TORQUE 520 ft/lb @ 4500 rpm
MAXIMUM RPM 8,500 rpm
[Edited on 21-12-2004 by h18_oab]
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its all true tho....
A focus/Astra is much better than a corsa
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Also fastest production car is held by the Mclaren... can Japan beat that??
wrong wrong wrong, , , ,
Japan probably can but ultima have in a chevy too, , ,
The Ultima Factory yesterday smashed the production car world record in an Ultima GTR for sprinting to 100mph and back to zero again leaving all other super cars in its wake along a 1.8-mile runway at Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground, Leicestershire.
Driven by Ultima Director, Richard Marlow, the factory built Ultima GTR set a new world record time of 10.3 seconds to achieve 0-100mph-0 smashing the previous record by half a second. The British built super car stormed from 0-60mph in 2.8 secs and reached 100mph from standstill in an incredible 5.9 secs before coming back to rest a mere 4.4 secs later.
All of the times were set by a standard, factory built, fully road legal, road tyred Ultima GTR built using all of the high spec factory specified and proven parts. The car was even equipped with heavy luxuries such as air conditioning but no traction control devices; launch control systems or ABS braking aids were used. The car was fitted with its recommended Porsche G50 5 speed transaxle and normally aspirated 640BHP 377ci Chevrolet V8 engine which is a standard offering by the factory from its official engine suppliers American Speed at www.amerspeed.com.
This record time beats the legendary £630,000 McLaren F1 road car by well over a full second at less than one tenth of the cost!
take note ....it's powered by chev .....awesome
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and seing as we're all being a bit anal. . . .
General Motors: GM is a U.S. based company headquartered in Detroit who makes the majority of its domestic cars inside the country. GM divisions within the U.S. are Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac/GMC, Cadillac and Saturn. A number of G.M. cars are made in Canada, and some in Mexico, but most GM-branded ones are made in the U.S. Overseas branches of GM include Saab (Sweden), Opel (Germany), Vauxhall (UK), Subaru (Japan), Isuzu (Japan), Suzuki (Japan) and Daewoo (Korea). GM has a controlling stake in the Japanese companies, even if it doesn’t own them outright. Isuzu makes most of its U.S.-bound trucks here in America, but the other divisions manufacture overseas. Suzuki vehicles include the Chevy Metro and Tracker. The Epsilon platform used by GM to base cars off of include the Pontiac Grand Prix, Saab 9-3 and others. GM also owns the On Star road assistance program and a stake in XM Satellite Radio. GM also owns a stake in Fiat, which it does not control (yet.) GM cars vary widely in quality, with Saturn, Saab, Subaru and lately Cadillac having the best reputation. Oldsmobile is now officially no more, by the way.
Ford: More diversified than GM, this company is currently the world’s second largest automaker, though it may get passed up in sales volume (but not revenues) by Toyota. Ford makes most domestically branded vehicles in the U.S., with some less expensive ones being made in Canada and Mexico (like the Focus.) Ford’s U.S. divisions are Lincoln and Mercury, the former of which has improved significantly over the past few years. Internationally, Ford owns Jaguar (UK), Land Rover (UK), Volvo (Sweden), and controls Mazda (Japan). Ford also has self-branded branches that are large in the UK and Germany. Mazda makes some vehicles in the U.S. but most foreign brands make vehicles in their country of origin or nearby. Ford used to have a stake in Kia (Korea) which made the awful Aspire, but sold it off. Lately, foreign-made Ford cars are much better than domestic ones, primarily due to better designs. The main exceptions are with Ford trucks and SUVs.
DaimlerChrysler: This company is mostly German now, although the Chrysler brand and many of its operations remain in the U.S. Divisions of the company include Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep in the U.S., Maybach, Mercedes-Benz and SMART in Germany, and a controlling stake in Mitsubishi (Japan) which it may abandon. Daimler also has a state in Hyundai (Korea) which it may also give up. Chrysler is the U.S. automaker most likely to make cars outside the country, with large presences in Mexico (PT Cruiser) and Canada (minivans). The new Crossfire is made largely in Germany. Mercedes-Benz makes most of its vehicles in Germany. The main exceptions are the M-Class SUV which is made in Alabama, and the G-Class SUV made in Austria. This company is known for innovative designs, but has had consistent reliability issues (yes, even with Benzes.) A large amount of Daimler’s design work is done in the U.S.
Toyota: Toyota is #3 in the world in volume at the moment and aiming for #2. Toyota almost always builds cars under its own name, with the exception of the Lexus luxury brand, entry-level Scion and Daihatsu vehicles in Japan. Most lower and mid level vehicles are made near where they are sold (U.S., Europe, Asia outside Japan), but the more luxurious the vehicle is, the more likely it is to be made back in Japan. Almost all Lexus vehicles are Japan-made as are specialty vehicles like the Prius hybrid and the electric version of the RAV4. Most Toyota trucks are made in the U.S. Toyota is probably the most reliable overall automaker, but suffers from being viewed as an “old person’s car”- which is why they introduced the Scion brand.
Honda: Although based in Japan, Honda actually sells more cars in America than back home. Like Toyota, large percentages of its mainstream cars are built in the U.S., as well as some SUVs. Acuras are more likely to be built in Japan, although the TSX is actually the European version of the Accord. Honda refreshes vehicle designs every 5 years, and vehicles receive strong design influences from their potential markets. The only drawbacks on Hondas is they tend to be fairly middle of the road, both in design and performance, the NSX notwithstanding.
Renault/Nissan: Although Renault no longer sells cars directly in the U.S., it does have a controlling stake in Nissan (Japan), and owns Mack Trucks. Nissan has had a recent resurgence under Renault leadership, and its vehicles, particularly the Infiniti division, have strongly improved. Nissan makes some less expensive vehicles in the U.S, but has the weakest American presence, both in sales and manufacturing, of the Japanese big three. Nissans tend to be rather reliable, with some fit and finish and design issues. Renault itself is partly owned by the French government, and has a strong presence in Europe.
Hyundai: As part of the consolidation of the Korean car market, Hyundai now also owns the #2 Korean car company, Kia. The merger has pushed Hyundai more upscale, although it still is relatively inexpensive. Hyundai makes most cars in Korea, with a solid presence in central Europe. Although Hyundai and Kia have been hit with reliability concerns, they have tried to make up for it with a 10 year warranty.
Volkswagen: VW is based in Germany, of course, with large manufacturing facilities in Mexico where it makes a lot of the cars for the U.S. market (like the new Beetle.) VW owns several other brands in Europe, including Audi (Germany), Bentley (UK), SEAT (Spain), Skoda (Czech), Lamborghini (Italy), and Bugatti (France/Italy). VW designs have improved considerably in recent years, but the cars are often smaller than even Japanese offerings, and have had some reliability issues. Non-VW branded vehicles are almost always made in the country where the division is based.
BMW: Based in Germany and still controlled by the Ackermann family, BMW is probably the highest profile of the remaining mid-level car makers. Although dwarfed by its German rivals in size (except Porsche), it makes up for it with a strong brand and its MINI (UK) and Rolls-Royce (UK) brands. BMW makes a large number of cars in the U.S., including the Z4 roadster, the base model 3 series, and most of the X5 and X3 SUVs. Engines still tend to be German, though. BMWs have been very reliable since the mid-1990s, but as car designs were moved back to Germany (and away from California, among others), under Chris Bangle, some unfortunate redesigns have taken place (especially with the inane iDrive and the rear designs for the 5 series and Z4.) The cars still manage to sell anyway, and the 3 series still looks good, as does the MINI.
Fiat: Although Fiat doesn’t sell cars in the U.S., divisions controlled by it or by the dominant Agnelli family do make it here. All vehicles sold here are made in Italy, and include Alfa-Romeo, Maserati and Ferrari. While Fiat itself makes money making econoboxes in Europe, Maserati and ferrari make the super cars where maintenance remains expensive.
Peugeot/Citroen: Mostly made in France, and sold in Europe, Peugeot withdrew from the U.S. market in the 1980s. Good luck finding a solid mechanic.
Porsche: Still privately owned, although it shares a number of connections to VW (including the SUV platform for the Cayenne/Touareg), Porsche remains elite and expensive. Reliability continues to be very good, and all cars are made in Germany.
Other brands: There are some small American exotics like Saleen and Panoz, British brands like Rover (now independent), Morgan, and Lotus (actually owned by Petronas of Malaysia), and some others I’m sure you can look up.
However GM do have shares in ford back in 1993 they both joined forces to develop a new 6-speed auto transmission with 4 to 8 percent improved fuel economy and higher torque output than the traditional 4 speed autos available on todays front wheel drive cars.
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Well seeing Kirsty knows how to use google
[quote="K17STY"]
However GM do have shares in ford back in 1993 they both joined forces to develop a new 6-speed auto transmission with 4 to 8 percent improved fuel economy and higher torque output than the traditional 4 speed autos available on todays front wheel drive cars.
Having shares in a Company does not mean you own them....
Statement is true to a certain extent... GM DID have shares in ford... they no longer do, Ford bought back GM's shares a few years back
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i see kirstys kicking your ass when it comes to stats
now where did you read that i said mclaren were owned by any1 else??
and "Oh and saying about Tuning a Japenese car doesnt make it a super car if it beats one... "-----sorry but didnt you read my exact words?--
"now if you wanna play with big jap cars just look at any of the big jap tuners to see what the cars you mentioned above are capable of so just imagine what the jap companys could do if they had that notion 2,,
and id say that midnights gold skyline prob could take them on "
thats very selective reading if i do say so myself but im sure its just a couple of errors on your part ...honest i believe you
now,,,,,,,NEXT
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can you pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee find where any1 says gm owns ford
i like your imaginary quotes way better than the real ones
please take note.....go and read everything twice before posting
in fact 3 times just to make sure it wasent me that made a mistake
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