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M6RKK
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   29th May 06 at 00:50   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
right so here goes... just about to put my car back on the road after a slight mishap with a running lampost. While the car was off the road i was thinking of a few things to do engine wise...

was considering TB's however there pricey it will be shit hot once there on etc..
however i was also toying with the idea of supercharging using a mini cooper s blower? anyone done such thing ? Engine is a C16XE.

for the people in the know whats the advantage and dissadvantage of supercharging?

opinions please?

Thanks Mark
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theys a thread on mig web about this check on there m8,sum 1 in the process on s.c a x14xe
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supercharging can be done but tricky to get right. I know of 2 thats been done and both had problem after problem.it will probably cost more than tb's in the long run as well as you would need a new inlet anyway:

charger: £500
new inlet: 400
extras (belts, hoses etc: £250
management and loom: £650
mapping: £400

and thats just the basics. Throttle bodies are reliable, cheap to run, and a proven way to an easy 160+ bhp. dont cost that much if you fit yourself, mine cost about £1600 all in inc loom and management etc...
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You can pick up a Mini 'charger for less that £500. Most of the are brand new too because people buy the Cooper S and have the charger replaced at the dealership for a S Works one and save themselves several thousand quid.
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29th May 06 at 09:44   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
even if it was £200 for the charger its still gonna cost about £2k to do properly
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29th May 06 at 09:45   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
i know a guy who is selling a Copper Ssuper charger if u are interested!
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29th May 06 at 10:28   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
get them of ebay for about £100 ?

just an idea.. was thinking about it since av never heard of anyone doing it
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29th May 06 at 11:21   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
go give it a try m8,
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29th May 06 at 16:21   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
no one done it then ?
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karen off here had one. It was fucked when she bought it, fucked when she had it and fucked when she sold it.
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hmmm not too promising then is it
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yeah it was a boy up in aberdeen that done it. he never had it on the road either.

there is a 2.1 supercharged corsa in my mates work getting sprayed. thatwill be fucking rapped
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quote:
Originally posted by L30 SCT
yeah it was a boy up in aberdeen that done it. he never had it on the road either.

there is a 2.1 supercharged corsa in my mates work getting sprayed. thatwill be fucking rapped


i bet it will be.... est bhp ??
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29th May 06 at 17:49   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
tbh superchargers are better than turbo's because they give the constant supply of power when you boot it, as with a turbo it may take time to come onto boost. the best thing to do with the c16/x16xe's if you have a decent budget would be to....

port/polish and skim 'to death' the cylinder head
dblias inlet manifold with uprated/bigger injectors
lightened and balanced crankshaft/uprated pistons
full stainless steel exhaust system with induction kit.

or do wat everyone else does and drop in the good ol'redtop!
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tbh ad rather have a 1.6 that out performs a redtop..

dunno why just that everyone opts for it and i would rather have somthing that beats it which isnt one!
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true, its like my 'little' 1.4 8v, when i tell people its only a small 'un they laugh and say my 16valver will do me, but mine pisses all over 1.4 16v's and just about keeps up with the 1.6's that are slightly modified. agree with ya m6rkk
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29th May 06 at 18:17   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
i like the underdog approtch
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29th May 06 at 18:23   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Yea but how often are people you race actually gonna find out what you have under the bonnet. and how many 2.0 corsa's do you know of? away from corsasport i don't know of any 2.0 corsa's

Corsa C Z20Let

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quote:
Originally posted by vaux-tech
tbh superchargers are better than turbo's because they give the constant supply of power when you boot it, as with a turbo it may take time to come onto boost. the best thing to do with the c16/x16xe's if you have a decent budget would be to....

port/polish and skim 'to death' the cylinder head
dblias inlet manifold with uprated/bigger injectors
lightened and balanced crankshaft/uprated pistons
full stainless steel exhaust system with induction kit.

or do wat everyone else does and drop in the good ol'redtop!



just a few questions,

1.why fit bigger injectors?
2. why fit uprated pistons?

not gonna benefit from them. anyway doing all that for just 130 bhp is a waste.
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29th May 06 at 18:34   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
TB's = tried and proven, I know where my money would go.
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a few of my mates have redtops and have never ending problems.. dunno y they seem to be off the road more than on..maybe thats y am kinda put off by it....
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quote:
Originally posted by Rcb
TB's = tried and proven, I know where my money would go.


what kinda power output ? and with standard internals is it fine ?
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standard engine ur looking at 150ish bhp with tb's. Ignore SBD claims of 165 bhp.

fit ARP rod bolts and SBD rollers and you can raise rev limit to 8k and have some real fun! its leaves the door open for future mods as well, balanced bottom end, pocketed pistons, wild cams...... and with the right money 220 bhp.
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would be really kean on doing it.. but how much does an average set up cost?
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tb's are ace! love them big time!

190bhp with standard rods and pistons!

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