flybikeslee
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this is the engine, the lads swears its the same as a c20let mount wise.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mint-1989-Vauxhall-Nova-2ltr-turbo-project_W0QQitemZ330195315958QQihZ014QQcategoryZ9858QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
no reason to doubt him but if it was am sure he wouldn't be the person to discover it 
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Robin
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This REALLY interests me, if it does fit on XE/LET mounts, I might have to give it a bash next year 
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Stu
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What power do they make as standard?
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flybikeslee
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What power do they make as standard?
apparantly identical to an LET but much cheaper...if it is true then LET owners over the land will hate me
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Robin
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Depends on the model.
The 2 litres make between 150 and 205bhp.
The 2.3 makes between 150 and 260bhp, depending on the car it came from.
They all have steel rods and cranks as standard, and are apparently capable of 400bhp with no internal changes 
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Dean_W
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Sabb B204 engine I think that is. Not sure on power, but the 9-3 was based on an opel, or designed by them or sumat.
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ShEp
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that 900 turbo aero in my mates garden is mine
ive just been talking about doing another
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
Depends on the model.
The 2 litres make between 150 and 205bhp.
The 2.3 makes between 150 and 260bhp, depending on the car it came from.
They all have steel rods and cranks as standard, and are apparently capable of 400bhp with no internal changes
aye.friend.had.a.2litre.one.with360odd.bhp.on.a.gt30.very.fast.car.even.in.a.lardy.saab
this.has.been.discussed.on.migweb.a.fair.few.times.over.the.years
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Ste L
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
This REALLY interests me, if it does fit on XE/LET mounts, I might have to give it a bash next year
i heard the saab v6's are near enough identical to vauxhall's one, and mount's the same, so i cant see why the a saab turbo wouldn't be any different 
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Robin
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Yeah, the Saab V6 is actually a C25XE in the 900 early 9-3, even the plastic covers are the same
I know for a fact the Saab B204/B205/B234/B235 all use the same gearbox pattern as big block Vauxhalls, it's just the engine mounts which no-one seems 100% sure on.
Like you say though, if the V6 is the same, and mounts the same, why would the others not?
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Ste L
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yep..
the 3.0 have the inlet coming out on other side to vauxhall's iirc ?
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Dean_W
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Just done a search on tinters and theres a lot of posts saying that these are easily tunable with possible 500BHP without any internal work......blimey!!
A lot of posts state the gearbox bolt pattern is the same.
Canna find any pics to look at the mount on the drivers side though.
They do a 2.3 aswell, 230BHP Reckon you'd get that in a corsa?
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Robin
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That's the 3.0, but it's the turbocharged one, so the inlet might be different for that one?
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Wrighty
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theres a RWD nova on the bay at the minute, rally car
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Robin
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Dean, some of the later 2.3s have 260bhp.
The block is the same size for both 2.3 and 2.0, so if the 2.0 will fit, so will the other 
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
Dean, some of the later 2.3s have 260bhp.
The block is the same size for both 2.3 and 2.0, so if the 2.0 will fit, so will the other
Robin, if the block used is the same as the GM one, that'd lead me to think you could bolt the LET mounts to the B204 block.......what you reckon?
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Colin
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the engines from b204/b234 have a gm bolt pattern (9000's new generation 900's and early 9-3's)
the Saab engine in its older guises b204 and b234 are very very good engines and vastly superior to the later GM meddled 205/235 which are prone to sludging (late 9-3's and all 9-5's)
the 204 and 234 are identical apart from the stroke
the 204 being vastly undersquare and with the right ancillieries you can tweak them to 10K rpm
both are vastly overengineered ,go on forever, and can be tuned to the max...500hp on standard internals
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Ste L
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
That's the 3.0, but it's the turbocharged one, so the inlet might be different for that one?
i was thinking along the line of the omega one, with the inlet's in the midde, going straight to wing...
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Robin
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quote:
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Originally posted by Robin
Dean, some of the later 2.3s have 260bhp.
The block is the same size for both 2.3 and 2.0, so if the 2.0 will fit, so will the other
Robin, if the block used is the same as the GM one, that'd lead me to think you could bolt the LET mounts to the B204 block.......what you reckon?
The block in the V6 is the same (as is the rest of the engine) but I'm not sure the 4 pots are.
However, the 900/9-3 is a Cavalier in a dress, so the engine mounts on the car itself will be Vauxhall type.
You SHOULD be able to use the Saab mounts on the engine, bolted to conversion mounts in a Nova/Corsa, even if the block is different, in theory.
Anyonw got a Saab dealer near them and a spare XE engine mount?
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Robin
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
That's the 3.0, but it's the turbocharged one, so the inlet might be different for that one?
i was thinking along the line of the omega one, with the inlet's in the midde, going straight to wing...
Yeah, I just mean the N/A 3.0 V6 (if they do one) might have the Omega inlet, the turbo one definitely doesn't though, as you can see.
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Nic Barnes
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how.uch.do.the.engines.go.for.robin
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by muppetsport
how.uch.do.the.engines.go.for.robin
There's none on ebay at the moment which are definitely the right engine, but they're never more than £500 from what I've seen, for a complete engine and ancillaries.
Unless you go for a buy it now one that is.
There's one on there for £250 at the moment, but no details of which car it was from. Could be a potential bargain if it's a full pressure 2.3
[Edited on 04-12-2007 by Robin]
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Colin
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Originally posted by muppetsport
how.uch.do.the.engines.go.for.robin
This.isnt.the.first.time.this.has.happened.is.it.?
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Nic Barnes
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what
my.keyboard.is.dead.spacebar.and.some.other.keys.dont.work.sorry.colin
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Ste L
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by Ste L
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Originally posted by Robin
That's the 3.0, but it's the turbocharged one, so the inlet might be different for that one?
i was thinking along the line of the omega one, with the inlet's in the midde, going straight to wing...
Yeah, I just mean the N/A 3.0 V6 (if they do one) might have the Omega inlet, the turbo one definitely doesn't though, as you can see.
found a pic, this is what i ment, it face's the other way..
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