Ben G
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really like these and they are near enough as quick as my old focus.
just wondered what the differences are between the 210BHP version and the 225BHP version?
is it just a remap for the extra power or are there visual differences too?
i know a few people on here have them so if you could tell me anything you know about them, problems you've had etc then please do.
thanks.
this shape.
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Steve
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ones 210bhp and the others 225bhp 
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Ben G
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 apart from that. noticed they have brembo brakes, is that for just the 225 version or all?
really don't know a thing about these, just that they look alright and are quick enough for me.
[Edited on 19-04-2010 by Ben G]
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adiohead
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210/225 Differences
Exterior/Interior/Visual Differences:
Most Customer Cupra R's were a '52 plate althought the odd ex-press car / demo maybe an '02 plate. All these cars had square mirrors (off a MkIV Golf) the later 210’s (from early May ’03 on) had teardrop mirrors.
All 210's had black Cupra badges (the painted lettering on the rear "Cupra" badge is black). There was a limited run (total of 60 cars) of Platinum metallic paint in early '03 cars, all had teardrop mirrors.
All 225's have teardrop mirrors, chunkier steering wheel, perforated leather on the gear knob, red cupra badges, extra stone guards on the front wheels and different wheel bearings. Platinum became standard and Artic Grey was added to the paint options. These early 225's were fitted with Tracker.
210’s steering wheel is the same as the Cupra’s, but with red stitching. The 225 has a thicker stering wheel with a red band at the top. The steering wheels are a straight swap and the airbags are the same.
We were never sure if the new wheel bearings were "upgrades" or just from a different supplier.
The “pegs” holding the front carpet mats in place are round on the 210’s and oval on the 225’s.
The parcel shelf on the 210 has retractable strings, the 225 does not.
05 Plate 225's
There were a few changes on the '05 (Sept 2005) cars:
The red was changed from Flash Red to Emocion Red. Emocion red is slightly darker.
Tracker was removed.
Cars included a “motorsport package” - a pair of Seat Sport jackets, baseball caps and a track based tuition day.
210’s have tape decks and 6 disc changers,
225’s have single CD heads and 6 disc changers,
05 reg cars have just a single CD.
Recaros and Sat Nav where the only options, the recaro option on the 210 (£1,200) was front AND rear, on the 225s it was front only and £795.
Very Late (When the FR+ came out) cars came in Metallic Black. The FR+ looks like a Euro Spec LCR - they are 180 petrol and 150 diesel cars, with the full LCR bodykit but with the Euro 17" LCR alloys, and no brembo calipers.
Engine Diffrences:
210 is an AMK Engine code, 225 is BAM.
210bhp/199lbft vs 225ps/208lbft. Both cars remap to practically the same. The 210 is actually 212ps, and the 225(ps) is actually 222bhp.
ECU Code for the 225 has an “A” on the end.
There were always rumours that the 210 had stronger internals (20mm wrist pins and different rods), but it seems that this rumour stemmed from the early Audi S3 APY engine (also 210bhp) having stronger rods. However, Yumann's engine (AMK) build thread, he kindly measured the gudgeon pins for us, and they are 20mm. The later BAM engine are supposed to have 19mm wrist pins.
From ETOS and ETKA the block and piston set for AMK  6A 103 101 J and for the BAM : 06A 103 101 J, conrod for AMK : 027 198 401 B, conrod for BAM : 027 198 401 B. So if they are different, nobody told SEAT Parts.
Both engines have VVT, but this is apparently for emissions rather than a VTEC style torque/power shift. Although most cars definitely pull again at about 4,000 rpm). Originally we thought the VVT actuation was different (one mechanical the other hydraulic) but we now understand them to be the same. Again, it is the APY (early 210 S3 engine, never fitted to the LCR) that has mechanical VVT actuation and possibly where the rumour started. Both AMK and BAM have Electro-hydraulic VVT actuation.
The turbo (K04-23 from Borg-Warner), manifold & exhaust are all the same.
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adiohead
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I had a play with an ST Focus and there was nothing in it.
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Ben G
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cheers mate so basically some interior difference but nothing massive between the 2 models?
yeah they are about the same power/weight as a focus st i think.
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Ant B
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my brothers(jez_b on here) just got a cupra,he wanted the cupra r with 225 bhp,but the one he brought is a cupra with a millitec decat cat back on and stage two remap and its now 230 bhp so a bit faster than a stander cupra r
[Edited on 19-04-2010 by Ant B]
[Edited on 19-04-2010 by Ant B]
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adiohead
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Ignitions coils fail, but they're cheap to replace. I did all four of mine on my 225.
and I had a speed sensor fail (which threw up a few different fault codes.
apart from that it's been fine.
The brembos are easy to change.
My mum has a Cupra 180bhp and she's had a fuel pump fail.
Might get mine remapped soon, if I can justify spending money.
I'd probably rather a Focus ST though
[Edited on 19-04-2010 by adiohead]
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Ben G
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only reason i don't want a focus st again is because it'd be the older model (mk2, not mk2.5) and i would always be comparing it to my old one.
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Colin
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Your a family man now Benjamin....get the A4 
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Fro
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Yeah coil packs are common but I think i still have some spares lying about so if you get one you can have them  I always kept one or two in the car as its easy to change if one fails while you're out and saves you being stranded.
Also if you get any warning lights I have Vagina-Com 
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Ben G
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is it the same engine as the golf then? sounds good mate, cheers.
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Fro
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Not the same as such, but the coilpacks will still work
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adiohead
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
is it the same engine as the golf then? sounds good mate, cheers.
sam engine as the late S3 and TT's.
thought about an S3? 225 and 4wd.
[Edited on 19-04-2010 by adiohead]
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Ben G
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i'm not too keen on the looks of the s3, prefer the leon really.
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K2 GTi
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Get it remapped makes the world of difference!! Seriously you will not regret it!!! Will make it a different car.
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K2 GTi
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But , im getting rid of mine soon, costing too much in fuel 
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Ben G
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what do they remap do, do you know?
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c4rsa-sport
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i have owned my cupra r for just over 2 years now and not had any problems with it at all. Mine is the 210bhp version but once you get a remap it takes it to the same as a 225 with a remap
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flybikeslee
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
just wondered what the differences are between the 210BHP version and the 225BHP version?
15bhp
looked into these before the skoda, lots of car for the money, were just out of my price range at the time
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K2 GTi
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Mines running around 260/70... not had it roaded but trust me when i say it makes a difference.. for the sake of £200 your mad not too.
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adiohead
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
what do they remap do, do you know?
anywhere between 250-270.
the place I might have mine done do a before and after RR for about £360
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Graham88
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One of my mates has got a 210 version with almost identical mods to one with a 225. The 210 one is faster, running about 285 now I believe. That one that had the white chequer roof Ben.
I really like them, and AmD are only down the road from you and do a decent map
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Ben G
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yeah i've seen amd, they seem to have a good reputation on loads of sites so it'd get taken there for some tuning.
won't be just yet anyway. suppose i could take out a loan but then it's not the ideal time right now with the house and everything.
i like the 210 version, as long as it's only small cosmetic differences bar the 15bhp extra, i could always get the other bits from seat i suppose.
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adiohead
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
yeah i've seen amd, they seem to have a good reputation on loads of sites so it'd get taken there for some tuning.
won't be just yet anyway. suppose i could take out a loan but then it's not the ideal time right now with the house and everything.
i like the 210 version, as long as it's only small cosmetic differences bar the 15bhp extra, i could always get the other bits from seat i suppose.
I originally wanted a 210 version... no idea why.
The 225 has a much nicer steering wheel, nicer wing mirrors, plus a newer engine
and the 225s remap to slightly higher than the 210s
Try and get recaros up front, they look exactly the same as the normal seats but the lumbar support is worth it, imo.
I don't have them and I get back ache. Wish I'd got one with them.
[Edited on 19-04-2010 by adiohead]
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