John_C
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...maybe...
http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport/story/27624.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
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BluKoo
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That could be interesting.
On another note, my uncle is in the process of rebuilding his 1200bhp 1.5 Turbo BMW F1 car.
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sand-eel
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Everyone is being ECO crazy these days, with small engines and turbos, prob agood time to get some shares in turbo companies.
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Eck
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Originally posted by BluKoo
That could be interesting.
On another note, my uncle is in the process of rebuilding his 1200bhp 1.5 Turbo BMW F1 car.
I fucking love that they took the block for these from the road going engines. Love even more that it was normally a tired, high mileage motor they took it from!
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Dom
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I think they're going about it all the wrong way, 'for sure' they've got the technology but i think the cost of developing a small block engine to produce similar power as today’s V8s will out way any advantages. The best idea i've heard is to restrict energy usage rather than engine size. So each team is given X kilojoules of energy to use per race and they can use this however they wish - very efficient V10/12s or small block 1.6's etc.
Another idea that's floating around is for teams to go back to using road going engines which wouldn't be a bad idea, as it would hopefully entice manufacture teams like Ford, BMW and Honda etc to get back into F1.
[Edited on 09-09-2010 by Dom]
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jr
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quote:
Originally posted by Eck
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Originally posted by BluKoo
That could be interesting.
On another note, my uncle is in the process of rebuilding his 1200bhp 1.5 Turbo BMW F1 car.
I fucking love that they took the block for these from the road going engines. Love even more that it was normally a tired, high mileage motor they took it from!
That is a very famous urban ledgend eck
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Eck
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Oh  Any evidence of that? Didn't think Evo would make such an error.
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Steve
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why the feck are f1 cars concerend about being eco? im assuming this is the motive behind this
they only race every now and again so surely actually contribute fuck all the emissions in the grand scale
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Eck
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I'm all for ridiculously high powered, small capacity F1 cars. Take away traction control and watch as boost kicks in mid corner and spits a car into the gravel.
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mattk
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Originally posted by Steve
they only race every now and again so surely actually contribute fuck all the emissions in the grand scale
human activity contributes only 2% of the worlds CO2 output anyway, id love to see what % of that 2% F1 is 
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mwg
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I want to see turbo'd V12's. Fuck the emissions, its racing.
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jr
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Originally posted by Eck
Oh Any evidence of that? Didn't think Evo would make such an error.
ocatne spoke to the bloke that built them and he said it was tried but they failed very quickly on the dyno
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BluKoo
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quote:
Originally posted by Eck
quote:
Originally posted by BluKoo
That could be interesting.
On another note, my uncle is in the process of rebuilding his 1200bhp 1.5 Turbo BMW F1 car.
I fucking love that they took the block for these from the road going engines. Love even more that it was normally a tired, high mileage motor they took it from!
Rumour has it they left the blocks outside to weather and they got some employees to piss on them too.
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antnee
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quote:
Originally posted by Dom
I think they're going about it all the wrong way, 'for sure' they've got the technology but i think the cost of developing a small block engine to produce similar power as today’s V8s will out way any advantages. The best idea i've heard is to restrict energy usage rather than engine size. So each team is given X kilojoules of energy to use per race and they can use this however they wish - very efficient V10/12s or small block 1.6's etc.
Another idea that's floating around is for teams to go back to using road going engines which wouldn't be a bad idea, as it would hopefully entice manufacture teams like Ford, BMW and Honda etc to get back into F1.
[Edited on 09-09-2010 by Dom]
You know they used to use small block turbos with over 1000bhp? many years ago! Will be easy for them to make a 6-800bhp 1.6T
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spikedjack
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at one point bmw famously had 1500horsepower out of a 1.5l engine, im sure it would be easyish for them to see 1kbhp from a 1.6
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dannymccann
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Originally posted by spikedjack
at one point bmw famously had 1500horsepower out of a 1.5l engine, im sure it would be easyish for them to see 1kbhp from a 1.6
Im not having a go as I dont really understand engines and how to get more power out of such a small engine, but how do they do this?
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antnee
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quote:
Originally posted by dannymccann
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Originally posted by spikedjack
at one point bmw famously had 1500horsepower out of a 1.5l engine, im sure it would be easyish for them to see 1kbhp from a 1.6
Im not having a go as I dont really understand engines and how to get more power out of such a small engine, but how do they do this?
The engines run to a very fine tolerance, rev to 18k, have a very short life, many things are different compared to a road engine. Like the oil has to be warmed up before it can started, as at normal temps the engine is effectively seized
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LeeM
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hydraulic valves help them rev high too?
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JonnyJ
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quote:
Originally posted by mattk
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Originally posted by Steve
they only race every now and again so surely actually contribute fuck all the emissions in the grand scale
human activity contributes only 2% of the worlds CO2 output anyway, id love to see what % of that 2% F1 is
Exactly, and the actual racing part will be even less than the amount they use to transport the cars, equipment and team all over the world. They should make them drive the cars to the next race on public roads 
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ed
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Formula 1 is a technical/prototyping exercise/competition. There is much more to it than just driving a fast car round a track.
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ed
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quote:
Originally posted by dannymccann
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Originally posted by spikedjack
at one point bmw famously had 1500horsepower out of a 1.5l engine, im sure it would be easyish for them to see 1kbhp from a 1.6
Im not having a go as I dont really understand engines and how to get more power out of such a small engine, but how do they do this?
Horsepower is a measurement of work done in a certain amount of time. There are two ways of making a high powered engine. One that produces absolutely buckets of torque, the other is to make one that revs lots and lots. F1 engines rev lots and don't produce a lot of torque as a result of that. By doing that the amount of work done per second is high, so they horsepower is high.
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by antnee
quote:
Originally posted by Dom
I think they're going about it all the wrong way, 'for sure' they've got the technology but i think the cost of developing a small block engine to produce similar power as today’s V8s will out way any advantages. The best idea i've heard is to restrict energy usage rather than engine size. So each team is given X kilojoules of energy to use per race and they can use this however they wish - very efficient V10/12s or small block 1.6's etc.
Another idea that's floating around is for teams to go back to using road going engines which wouldn't be a bad idea, as it would hopefully entice manufacture teams like Ford, BMW and Honda etc to get back into F1.
[Edited on 09-09-2010 by Dom]
You know they used to use small block turbos with over 1000bhp? many years ago! Will be easy for them to make a 6-800bhp 1.6T
Never said it wasn't possible and yes i already know that they ran turbos from the mid 60s to '89 when turbos were banned. But they were also V6's and V8's rather than inline-4's or V4's.
Eitherway, i still don't quite understand the point of doing this! I think it'll end up like KERS, nice idea but completely pointless.
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sand-eel
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quote:
Originally posted by antnee
quote:
Originally posted by dannymccann
quote:
Originally posted by spikedjack
at one point bmw famously had 1500horsepower out of a 1.5l engine, im sure it would be easyish for them to see 1kbhp from a 1.6
Im not having a go as I dont really understand engines and how to get more power out of such a small engine, but how do they do this?
The engines run to a very fine tolerance, rev to 18k, have a very short life, many things are different compared to a road engine. Like the oil has to be warmed up before it can started, as at normal temps the engine is effectively seized
+ a big turbo.
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markx14xe
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lmao 1.6 f1 car
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sand-eel
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quote:
Originally posted by BluKoo
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Originally posted by Eck
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Originally posted by BluKoo
That could be interesting.
On another note, my uncle is in the process of rebuilding his 1200bhp 1.5 Turbo BMW F1 car.
I fucking love that they took the block for these from the road going engines. Love even more that it was normally a tired, high mileage motor they took it from!
Rumour has it they left the blocks outside to weather and they got some employees to piss on them too.
Yes pretty sure it was new blocks too, they are left for ages as over time (without getting used!!!) the metal actually becomes stronger as the molecules align themselves, making the molecular structure tougher.
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