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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334377/Capita-boss-Paul-Pindar-14k-week-How-dare-fat-cat.html
Talk about embarrassing the company 
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[Edited on 30-11-2010 by fro-dizzle]
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People are worth what they're worth - if this guy is worth £14,500 a week then pay him that. If someone is only worth £6.11 an hour then that's all they;re worth - I hate the Daily Fail.
its the same with Banker's bonuses, the money is earned, yes it sounds like a hell of a lot of money to give someone as a bonus but people forget that to earn that kind of money, you have to earn the company/bank many, many times more
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I am worth nothing
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mwg
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The complaint isn't whether he is or isn't worth that much. It's the fact that he's gone and said he "only" earns £14,500 a week as though he thinks he has it tough and the people he has said it to only earn £6.11 an hour! Now they have it tough!
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how much do people in alternative jobs to his, i.e. at competitor companies earn, is £14,500 a week abotu right for that job or is it on the lean side? This is why I'm only interested in what I earn and not other people
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in fairness as well, £14,500 = £754,000 a year which is significantly different from the £9.8million quoted - clearly he'll have bonuses and benefits which increase that wage but there's a big difference between £9.8million and £750k
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mwg
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I'm sure it is a real struggle for him 
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quote:
Originally posted by LiVe LeE
People are worth what they're worth - if this guy is worth £14,500 a week then pay him that. If someone is only worth £6.11 an hour then that's all they;re worth - I hate the Daily Fail.
its the same with Banker's bonuses, the money is earned, yes it sounds like a hell of a lot of money to give someone as a bonus but people forget that to earn that kind of money, you have to earn the company/bank many, many times more
nice theory but that usually doesn't pan out in the real world for the most part.
Life is largelly mapped out by your background and class, money breeds money, if your parents have the right connections and money you go to private school, eton, cambridge, go into industry from various contacts you have made ect ect.
Its not always the case, but you really can't say every one who is paid a lot deserves it sometimes its down to luck, people you know, backgroun ect ect.
also the point of the story was the fact he had said "only 14 grand odd", which just highlights the difference in their lives more so .
[Edited on 30-11-2010 by ssj_kakarot]
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quote:
Originally posted by ssj_kakarot
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Originally posted by LiVe LeE
People are worth what they're worth - if this guy is worth £14,500 a week then pay him that. If someone is only worth £6.11 an hour then that's all they;re worth - I hate the Daily Fail.
its the same with Banker's bonuses, the money is earned, yes it sounds like a hell of a lot of money to give someone as a bonus but people forget that to earn that kind of money, you have to earn the company/bank many, many times more
Life is largelly mapped out by your background and class, money breeds money.
Oh thank God thats a relief. Ill be alright then!
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maybe it is; doesn't matter how much you earn, you live to your means (in general). Higher wage, higher cost of living regardless of whether you're down to earth or not.
Bigger house, bigger bills etc.
I'm just bitter because I found out a lad I lived with at uni, who did the same course as me, who ripped off my dissertation and I had to prove that it was my work in the first instance, who smokes more spliffs than a smoker smokes fags, is in £50k worth of debt from his 8 years at uni and is generally a cunt has just landed a £100k a year job with an appartment in Nice thrown in plus living expenses covered, office in Monaco and a £50k completion bonus on every superyacht secured via his office plus flown to all the boat shows around the world and he's not even very good at the job - I'm not bitter at all 
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CEO's dont stay CEO's if they are crap. FACT. regardless of their background.
Also, no £750k isn't that much for a CEO but salary is merely a small bit of an executive spay. Their pay MUST be performance related hence more than 50% will be in shares and bonuses, with 50% of that (ie. 25% of total) being base don long term achievements (ie grow the share price by 25% etc.), he may well have been paid £750k and have earnings of £9m+ as his bonus would be a couple of mil and then his share OFFERINGS would be WORTH say £6m, thats not to say he has it in the bank etc, if the share price falls then so does the worth of his shareholdings
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quote:
Originally posted by Jamie Walby
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Originally posted by ssj_kakarot
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Originally posted by LiVe LeE
People are worth what they're worth - if this guy is worth £14,500 a week then pay him that. If someone is only worth £6.11 an hour then that's all they;re worth - I hate the Daily Fail.
its the same with Banker's bonuses, the money is earned, yes it sounds like a hell of a lot of money to give someone as a bonus but people forget that to earn that kind of money, you have to earn the company/bank many, many times more
Life is largelly mapped out by your background and class, money breeds money.
Oh thank God thats a relief. Ill be alright then!
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Nismo
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when you said your company you meant your employer
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Ojc
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Capita ROLMFAO
We got Capita in to sort out our servicing, you managed to make it worse.
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I don't know anyone that likes Capita.
They have tried to buy our business out twice in the past 5 years but fortunately our bosses won't sell to them. They would sack most of us I bet and ruin the company.
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Wish someone would offer to buy my business off me so I could fuck off somewhere hot
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Ojc
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Pakistan?
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Jamie Walby
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I could live like a king out there and maybe have my own army. It could work.
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Fro
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quote:
Originally posted by Nismo
when you said your company you meant your employer
Yes, will edit the title for you
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Originally posted by Ojc
Capita ROLMFAO
We got Capita in to sort out our servicing, you managed to make it worse.
Now this i can believe  Probably charged you stupid amounts too
what's your company name and ill try and dig the invoice up.
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Fro
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quote:
Originally posted by mwg
I don't know anyone that likes Capita.
They have tried to buy our business out twice in the past 5 years but fortunately our bosses won't sell to them. They would sack most of us I bet and ruin the company.
Your accounts departments would almost certainly go and the work would come to where I am in Westminster.
As for the rest it all depends what your co does, depending on that they would either
a)If similar - throw you under one of the other subsidiaries in which there would be quite a few job cuts
b)If not you will continue to run as a seperate subsidiary and there would be less cuts.
Cuts either way know capita
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quote:
Originally posted by LiVe LeE
People are worth what they're worth - if this guy is worth £14,500 a week then pay him that. If someone is only worth £6.11 an hour then that's all they;re worth - I hate the Daily Fail.
its the same with Banker's bonuses, the money is earned, yes it sounds like a hell of a lot of money to give someone as a bonus but people forget that to earn that kind of money, you have to earn the company/bank many, many times more
Are you serious?
Depends on how you interperate the word 'worth'.
I would say a nurse, soldier, paramedic, carer ect ect is worth more than they are paid....but they are not paid more as they are employed by the state ... and the state is busy bailing us out of the mess the bankers and the people who hang on to them put us in...so there is really no money left to pay people who are actually doing the important jobs in the country.
I wouldnt say many bankers, who basically 'earned' their bonus by giving money to people who they knew could never repay it and therefore fucking the global economy when they were found out and plunging us into a world wide depression ... maybe they are not worth their salary.
Your argument is people are only 'worth' what profit they can make a company. How about Tescos staff? They are helping to earn their employer billions of pounds ... and yet 9o per cent of people who work full time for tescos earn minimum wage.
What really happens is that the people who are prepared to work for unethical companies, and are prepared to do selfish, unethical things for these companies that hurts every one else in society get paid a hell of a lot of money to do this. The rest of us who cant be arsed to spend our days fucking people over, or dont have the brains, connections to do this basically get fucked on by all those companies - its got nothing to do with what you are worth - its about what you are prepared to do to make someone else money.
If you want to do a job that actually helps other people, then you wont get paid what your worth, you will get paid as little as the state can get away with paying you ... because we are far to busy spending that money on banks, weapons and dumb ass wars.
Your argument is basically a load of shite
[Edited on 30-11-2010 by Dr Pepper]
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quote:
Originally posted by fro-dizzle
Your accounts departments would almost certainly go and the work would come to where I am in Westminster.
As for the rest it all depends what your co does, depending on that they would either
a)If similar - throw you under one of the other subsidiaries in which there would be quite a few job cuts
b)If not you will continue to run as a seperate subsidiary and there would be less cuts.
Cuts either way know capita
Accounts departments we aren't that big a company
We're a Civil and Structural Engineering Consultancy. None of us want them anywhere near as we know what they are like for laying people off.
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quote:
Originally posted by fro-dizzle
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Originally posted by Nismo
when you said your company you meant your employer
Yes, will edit the title for you
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Originally posted by Ojc
Capita ROLMFAO
We got Capita in to sort out our servicing, you managed to make it worse.
Now this i can believe Probably charged you stupid amounts too
what's your company name and ill try and dig the invoice up.
Scot Prov
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quote:
Originally posted by fro-dizzle
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Originally posted by Nismo
when you said your company you meant your employer
Yes, will edit the title for you
Well it makes you sound like the news article is then about you
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by LiVe LeE
People are worth what they're worth - if this guy is worth £14,500 a week then pay him that. If someone is only worth £6.11 an hour then that's all they;re worth - I hate the Daily Fail.
its the same with Banker's bonuses, the money is earned, yes it sounds like a hell of a lot of money to give someone as a bonus but people forget that to earn that kind of money, you have to earn the company/bank many, many times more
Are you serious?
Depends on how you interperate the word 'worth'.
I would say a nurse, soldier, paramedic, carer ect ect is worth more than they are paid....but they are not paid more as they are employed by the state ... and the state is busy bailing us out of the mess the bankers and the people who hang on to them put us in...so there is really no money left to pay people who are actually doing the important jobs in the country.
I wouldnt say many bankers, who basically 'earned' their bonus by giving money to people who they knew could never repay it and therefore fucking the global economy when they were found out and plunging us into a world wide depression ... maybe they are not worth their salary.
Your argument is people are only 'worth' what profit they can make a company. How about Tescos staff? They are helping to earn their employer billions of pounds ... and yet 9o per cent of people who work full time for tescos earn minimum wage.
What really happens is that the people who are prepared to work for unethical companies, and are prepared to do selfish, unethical things for these companies that hurts every one else in society get paid a hell of a lot of money to do this. The rest of us who cant be arsed to spend our days fucking people over, or dont have the brains, connections to do this basically get fucked on by all those companies - its got nothing to do with what you are worth - its about what you are prepared to do to make someone else money.
If you want to do a job that actually helps other people, then you wont get paid what your worth, you will get paid as little as the state can get away with paying you ... because we are far to busy spending that money on banks, weapons and dumb ass wars.
Your argument is basically a load of shite
[Edited on 30-11-2010 by Dr Pepper]
nurse, soldier, paramedic, carer whilst there is the argument that there are not enough positions and these people are over stretched, nonetheless, there are thousands upon thousands of people to do these jobs; and whilst I'm not mocking the work they do as they are invaluable to our way of life; "generally" and I say this loosely as i'll be shot down for it, generally (as in not always) people in this kind of employment are less savvy - thats not to say unintelligent; just not at the forefront of business/engineering/scientific thinking.
Its simple economics, supply and demand, the more people willing or able to do a certain job, the less well paid its going to be. It not all to do with the state trying to get away with paying you minimum, take Doctor's; they're state paid and on good salaries, GPs, Specialists, Surgeons - so therefore my argument stands; When I say WORTH, I don't refer to the job they undertake, more the fact that there are less people to conduct said job; less people able = higher wages. Not everyone can be a CEO, not everyone has the ruthlessness or ability to head a company and because of this, they're well paid - to head a company, you're going to have to be at the height of your field.
Tesco's till monkies are not generating profit; they are just retailers, end of the line - they're not salesmen - what a pathetic argument. The money at Tesco etc. will be for the buyers, for the people actually generating the promotions and marketing - they're the ones generating the income. The Till jockeys aren't generating profit/income - scanning and taking payment is not selling that item. What a ridiculous argument!
Plus literally any mokey can be a till jockey - what qualifications or experience do you require to be a till jockey? What skills does it take - half of them are so sullen, its not even customer service, you barely get a hello or goodbye, just the generic lines such as "Do you need help with your packing?" and "Please enter you pin"
[Edited on 30-11-2010 by LiVe LeE]
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