Steve
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Would like peoples feedback please, from a track perspective if possible, the pros and cons of each
i have won a brand new non pas rack off ebay for 12.50 so a bit of a bargain there, however im not convinced yet about fitting it
iv always thought that iv had better feedback from my cars that have had non pas, however the pas steering in the puma isnt bad, a decent weight and some could argue you can turn in better with it, correct etc etc
theres obviously a massive weight loss to be had ditching the pas and i like the idea of less technically to go wrong, eg when tony had his pas pipes burst on the ring. Theres also an issue on mine where some of the metal parts of the pas lines are rotten and wont last much longer
if people have tried this conversion before and have a strong opinion that its a bad move then i may not bother doing it, or may try and it and can always go back
[Edited on 16-05-2012 by Steve]
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Ben J
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I've only ever driven 2 non PAS cars. The first, gave me the shock of my life!! Wasn't mine thank god.
The 2nd was the Birkin but that felt quite light.
Can't see it being a big issue on a track car.
[Edited on 16-05-2012 by Ben J]
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Steve
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due to the weight of the puma <850kgs i think it will be fairly light still especially on the move
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Ben J
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Yep. The Birkin steering feels light, like its got PAS tbh but it only weighs 550kg.
Your Puma should be fine. You won't notice on track and as you say should get more feedback.
How often are you going to be doing tight manouvres in car parks etc in the Puma? Hardly ever? No brainer to me.
Might be worth sounding out another Puma owner who has removed it though?
[Edited on 16-05-2012 by Ben J]
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Fro
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Drove my xe corsa without pas on a pas rack for a while after melting a hose, preferred it feedback/feel wise tbh.
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Steve
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dont think theres anyone that has really done on pumas, only ever heard 1 person say theyve done it, most of them are gay and either weigh there cars on asda scales, or spend there entire life wondering what matts and mudflaps to fit
fro: heard pas racks used as non are heavy as fuck lol, appreciate the opinion though
[Edited on 16-05-2012 by Steve]
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Nic Barnes
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Prefer without to drive but around town and parking I wish I'd kept pas.
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Ben J
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Yeah a pas rack used as non will be heavier than a non pas rack.
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mattant
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I thought non-pas was more fun, but then I'm comparing it to EPAS in a Corsa which isn't exactly good
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Nic Barnes
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Get a quick rack for your track car tbh. Don't need pas as you won't be using it much on roads and in town etc like I do with corsa I'd guess.
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Steve
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epas in the corsa c is dreadful indeed
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Ian
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Manual rack will probably be longer.
That's why the EPS one is good for a Corsa - it's quicker than manual but you can fire off the assistance if you're Mike.
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big eck
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
dont think theres anyone that has really done on pumas, only ever heard 1 person say theyve done it, most of them are gay and either weigh there cars on asda scales, or spend there entire life wondering what matts and mudflaps to fit
fro: heard pas racks used as non are heavy as fuck lol, appreciate the opinion though
Its seriously heavy  I drove my old GSi like that for 2 years. Looking back I never know how I managed it for so long. Turn your car off and try turn the wheel without the PAS on, now imagine the steering being that heavy for 2 years
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Steve
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they arent meant to be so bad if you disconnect them then loop the oil pipes so it just feeds from one side to the other
still not for me being that heavy lol
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Steve
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i reckon that twirp in that clio with the driving gloves had only disconnected his pas rack
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Graham88
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Depends on the car IMO. I get plenty of feeling through the steering on my M3, and I did on the MPS too, but if weight is a factor and it's a pure track car, then I'd probably lose it. You aren't really going to be doing any tight manouevres into Asda car park so it won't be too much of a problem
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gazza808
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Is it possible to just remove the ram and fittings etc? Like on 106's?
I've just finished converting my 106 from pas to my non-pas quick rack, have even had tracking done and love it.
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LeeM
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i like power steering, my vts with it was definiately better than my mates with a manual rack.
if the feel is good then keep it, if youre getting rid get a quickrack!
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Steve
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came to a decision to swap it over, but leave all the pipes in place for a bit to see if i like it or not, easy route back if not then
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Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Manual rack will probably be longer.
That's why the EPS one is good for a Corsa - it's quicker than manual but you can fire off the assistance if you're Mike.
For a track car I see more use in knowing better what you're wheels are doing rather than them being easier to turn. As has been said though, it's a Puma, I'm guessing on 195 tyres, the steering's not going to be particularly heavy anyway.
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scottyp1989
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
they arent meant to be so bad if you disconnect them then loop the oil pipes so it just feeds from one side to the other
still not for me being that heavy lol
Just try your rack first with out the pipes connected, it wont be as bad if your not trying to fight against the fluid, if you feel its ok stick the manual rack on.
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Gary
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Pas or non pas quick rack.
If not, have fun at hairpins!
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harrisp
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I think a lot of people get confused between steering feel and heavy steering.
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LeeM
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quote:
Originally posted by harrisp
I think a lot of people get confused between steering feel and heavy steering.
this. no pas = heavy = steering feel
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Corsa_Sport21
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Leave it in, do some trackdays 1st.
You might like it with PAS and get a feel for it. Or you might remove it and then start to wonder what it would have been like with it. Might be better with it.
Ok.
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