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davcohen
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5th Aug 12 at 08:36   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Need to upgrade my computer which I use mostly to do office and photo-shopping work however I usually have alot of tabs open and also do some basic file conversions.

The budget is lets say roughly $500 give or take a little it doesn't really matter, so far I have put together this:

1: Cpu

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0388577

2: Motherboard have a choice of getting any Z77 board to get the $50 combo off but thought one of these two would probably do the job

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0387156
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0387556

3: Ram wasnt to sure but something like this maybe or should I go for a three ram kit to get tri-channel working

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0382101

4: Harddrive main for Operating system and programs so they run fast

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0385188

5: Second harddrive for storage:

No idea which drive is best with around 1tb, although can be smaller

6: Now the part I dont understand what is raid and can these two drives be setup in a raid as I keep reading its a faster way of doing things but I have always just plugged in one hd and been good

7: Do I need an addition graphics card to help with photoshop or will the built in chip be sufficient, this will not be used for gaming at all

8. Aside from whats listed above and a DVD drive will something like this do for a power supply

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0361421

Feel free to make changes or advice me what I can change, I am just sick of waiting on loading times
VrsTurbo
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5th Aug 12 at 08:44   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

The hdd need to be the same size and speed really
Dom
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What exactly are you wanting to achieve with raid?
If you haven't read Wiki then i would go have a read as that'll give you a good idea what raid is and the different types of raid that are available.

It also depends how you plan to work but you might be better off using the SSD for the OS, essential software (PS etc) and Photoshops temp directory and use the storage drive for non-essential programs and misc storage.

I think stripping the storage drive wouldn't offer you that much performance in day-to-day usage. Mirroring perhaps could be beneficial for backups but ideally you want to offload backups externally (either external drive, NAS box or 'Cloud' like BackBlaze).
Stripping SSD's would give you the best performance but obviously at cost and ideally you'd want to use a hardware raid card rather than software raid that comes on motherboards.


And yes, Photoshop can offload some of the processing to the graphics card but i would have a read up on this as i'm not 100% clear on the ins and outs.
davcohen
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I am trying to get a system with low loading times for everyday use, from what your saying I am best of sticking with my plan of just using the ssd for os/ apps and then the larger drive for storage.

Just unsure of which motherboard to choose although usually stick with asus then it comes down to harddrive is samsung still one of the best?
Rob_Quads
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If your just after fast loading then go for a SSD. It will do most of what you want. You can spend a lot more and RAID SSD but the difference will be barely noticeable.
davcohen
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Well I have never had a raid setup, infact dont really know what it is as I have always just had one HD but who makes the most reliable HD these days for 1tb
Bart
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob_Quads
If your just after fast loading then go for a SSD. It will do most of what you want. You can spend a lot more and RAID SSD but the difference will be barely noticeable.


Having gone from a non raid SSD to a raid SSD and I confirm its noticable, have you?

Dave,
With raid for the end user, you would normally have two choices of setup, two hard drives with one backing up the other (known as Raid 1 or mirroring) this is used for critical things and puts safety over performance or the two hard drives combined (known as raid 0 or striping), this is used for performance.

Personally its raid0 everytime for me.
Rob_Quads
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I have done it myself - maybe I will re qualify - its slightly noticeably but the cost in doing so is ALOT more than the gain/£ you will get from switching to SSD from HHD.

If you are going to be using motherboard raid make sure you find out if its software or hardware. Most of the cheaper ones are software and if your motherboard fails you will probably need to get virtually the same board again to rescue your raid array as software raid is not standardized.
davcohen
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Thanks for all the advice ended up with two builds just waiting for some of the stuff to arrive so I can put them together, only question remains in my mind on the first build I will have an SSD and a regular harddrive how does that work as I dont see jumpers on the back of drives anymore is it all done through bios? Also with the cd drive is that best placed on a seperate sata port then the hd?

Build one:

Cpu
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0388577
Motherboard
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0393422
Ram
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0360527
SSD
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0385837
HDD
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331606
PSU
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0361421


Build Two:

Cpu
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589
Motherboard
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0393422
Ram
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0360527
SSD
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0385837
PSU
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0361421


Now just have to work out exactly how much I spent, although I think I got some good deals after rebates, the above are just links to the products not necessarily what I paid for them. For two fairly budget builds I hope they provide a much needed upgrade to my current setups
Bart
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12th Aug 12 at 19:34   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

well your drives will all be SATA not IDE cables, so need to worry about jumpers etc.

In BIOS you can set the boot priority.

Your motherboard has 2x 6gb/s SATA and 4x 3gb/s ports. make sure your hard drives are plugged into the 6gbs and the rom drive into the 3gb. It should be marked on the board itself.

 
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