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FlaFFy_91

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Registered: 30th Sep 08
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20th Jun 13 at 23:13

Had a chap come in to work last week to talk about getting his mini finally sorted out

57 plate mini cooper s (the turbo one)

he bought it, drove it for a while then the cam chain slipped, he managed to fluke it and not do any valve damage, off to bmw, new chain, guides and tensioners

sorted.... for 2 weeks untill the High pressure fuel pump packed in..... another trip to bmw. one high pressure fuel pump later all was well for another 3 weeks untill the car started acting up
another trip into bmw and it turned out that the ecu was fried inside (or so they said..) so a new ecu and all was well

untill it started acting up, then fully died so the chap called out a mobile mechanic who turned up and told him his chain had slipped again but it seems like hes done some damage internaly and it wasnt a job he would want to take on

so thats up to last week, i got the car delivered to me and cracked on... after manageing to get a spark plug socket to fit the bloody plugs i ran a comp test, every cylinder turned 0PSI
rocker box off... just from a quick scout from what i can see the chain has stretched, slipped and done all 8 exhaust valves

spoke to a mate of mine down at bmw, and it turns out its as common as muck for the chains to slip and BMW cannot do anything to stop the chains from slipping (major fault) the newest "fix" that they have come at is a "modified" chain, guides, tensioner, inlet valve cam sprocket, and crank sprocket

oh and you need a special tool to lock the crank and cam to get the timeing done right, that costs £250 alone.......

PICTURES FINALLY

Stupid bloody plugs

Rocker box off

inlet off

lights out

BMW botch job

Water pipes and aircon and shit off

all the loom and that unplugged and the front end off

then went home

will update tomorrow when i get the head off and stripped with some more pics and what not

[Edited on 21-06-2013 by FlaFFy_91]

[Edited on 24-06-2013 by FlaFFy_91]

[Edited on 20-07-2013 by FlaFFy_91]

tobyc20xe

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Registered: 28th Jun 12
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21st Jun 13 at 01:26

Good work mate

. My friend sam has one bit of a girls car if you ask me but his one is pritty nippy lol.there was a recall for the problem wasn't there?

AndyCorsaSport

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Registered: 12th Feb 06
Location: Horsforth, West Yorkshire
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21st Jun 13 at 06:21

Nice work, but if its a matter of weeks why hasn't it gone back to BMW under warranty?

gazza808

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Registered: 30th Jun 08
Location: Peterborough
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21st Jun 13 at 08:11

pesky french engines...

T21SVJ

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Registered: 14th Sep 06
Location: formby Drives: Company Cars
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21st Jun 13 at 15:17

was going to say isnt the engine something to do with peugeot?

Neo

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Registered: 20th Feb 07
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21st Jun 13 at 15:21

This a diesel ? DV6TED4 engine iirc - PSA & ford developed.

Had one in my C2, managed 110k and started to be an arse so got rid

From what I've read once they start going, they are money pits.

Used in an awful lot of cars though

Steve

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Registered: 30th Mar 02
Location: Worcestershire Drives: Defender
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21st Jun 13 at 15:21

Fairly common and if you kick up a bit of s tink bmw will usually foot the bill

FlaFFy_91

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21st Jun 13 at 15:22

There was indeed a recall and yes these engines are a Peugeot and ford designed engine. The old Chevy supercharged engines they used were awesome. So bad move for them here

Andy I managed to get my wires crossed up there. The first time it had the chain done it was actually done by a mobile mechanic. Not BMW. However that mobile mechanic now doesn't exist and the phone number doesn't work. And I can see why as half the bolts are missing. And the other half that are there are finger tight. Example, the crankshaft pulley there is 3 bolts. 1 of which is missing. The other 2 were literally finger tight. The water pump pully that doesn't even need to come off there's only 1 of 3 bolts in there. All the proper BMW snap clips for the water pipes are missing and been replaced with jubilee clips that don't fit properly. It's a absolute mess. Ill throw up some more pictures later tonight.

Mattb

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21st Jun 13 at 17:43

The above makes me angry.... cowboys like that have given honest hard working mechanics / technicians a crap name...

alan t

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21st Jun 13 at 18:54

i reckon my gaffer would have a few things to say to me if i was taking pictures of customers cars instead of getting on with fixing them

FlaFFy_91

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21st Jun 13 at 18:55

Haha matt you have no idea mate. It's been getting me angry as fuck today. All the opposite drive torques are chewed up to death. Half the bolts that are there are generic 8mm or 10mm bolts. Ill chuck some pics up in a mo.
It's done 8 exhaust valves and 6 inlet valves.

FlaFFy_91

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21st Jun 13 at 19:07

My boss wants me to take pictures of them. To show the customer for one. And for the customer to take back to the mechanic and use against him to get some money back or what ever. . It also only takes about 5 seconds a picture. And I'm waiting until monday for valves, head gasket, head bolts. So on so forth. So in no rush what so ever

alan t

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21st Jun 13 at 19:08

lol

FlaFFy_91

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21st Jun 13 at 21:30

Update with pictures

bottom pully with missing bolt

water pump with 2 missing bolts

one of the 2 mad belt tensioners that are on this engine

and removed

exhaust, alt and aircon pump removed

sump removed to gain access to the oil pump chain aswell

Chewed up bolts from the cowboy that has been here before

some scoreing and rough bits on the cam end

engine mount removed

Head bolts removed

Head removed, you can see the marking on the 8 exhaust and 6 inlet valves from where they have hit the pistons

And all 4 pistons

Piston number 2 with some quite bad marking on both sides

and heres number 4 aswell with some marking on just the exhasut side

Then i had to stop work due to my next job comeing in..........

[Edited on 21-06-2013 by FlaFFy_91]

Steve

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21st Jun 13 at 21:40

I reckon he used hex sockets on them bolts

FlaFFy_91

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21st Jun 13 at 21:44

It looks like it. Either that or he had a basic set of torques and some of them don't include the E12 size that this was. So he might of used a E14

Kyle T

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21st Jun 13 at 21:52

Are these engines used in the Citroen DS3?

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VegasPhil

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21st Jun 13 at 22:34

What's the 500 job? Respray?

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Neo

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22nd Jun 13 at 08:10

Yes Kyle they are

mattievRS

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22nd Jun 13 at 09:25

Shame to see a bodge job done previously but I do love a good "fix it" thread with pictures!

Dom

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22nd Jun 13 at 11:23

Is that likely to have been BMW who forgot the bolts and chewed the bolt head?

FlaFFy_91

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22nd Jun 13 at 12:30

Kyle. As above yes it is the same engine. There a shit engine to be honest.
Phil. Haha I wish it was mate. Was in for a service, tyres and a new front shock
Dom. As I sad above it was actually this mobile mechanic that had done the chain previously so it will of been him that's left all the bolts and shit. Proper cowboys.

I don't think anyone on here has done one of these before. But they have the same sort of cam chain setup as a 1 series. You put the chain, crank cog and guides all together then lower them into the engine. There's no side caseing. But guess what. The chap that fitted the last chain messe up the sleeve that runs through the cog meaning that wouldn't come out as well. Ill post some pics on Monday so it's Easyer to understand.

Neo

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22nd Jun 13 at 13:06

Sooooo glad I got rid of mine

how many miles is this on ?

Kyle T

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22nd Jun 13 at 13:12

quote:
Originally posted by FlaFFy_91
Kyle. As above yes it is the same engine. There a shit engine to be honest.
Phil. Haha I wish it was mate. Was in for a service, tyres and a new front shock
Dom. As I sad above it was actually this mobile mechanic that had done the chain previously so it will of been him that's left all the bolts and shit. Proper cowboys.

I don't think anyone on here has done one of these before. But they have the same sort of cam chain setup as a 1 series. You put the chain, crank cog and guides all together then lower them into the engine. There's no side caseing. But guess what. The chap that fitted the last chain messe up the sleeve that runs through the cog meaning that wouldn't come out as well. Ill post some pics on Monday so it's Easyer to understand.

Crazy coincidence then! There's a guy at work with a leased DS3 and he was telling me about the issue with stretched chains and stuff like that. His is making all sorts of clattering sounds on startup so he's going to mention it next week as part of the first service. I came home, saw this thread on CS and though... hmmm, that sounds familiar!

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FlaFFy_91

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22nd Jun 13 at 14:19

Neo. This only has 40,000 on it. It's a 07 reg.
haha Kyle that is quite the coincidence. As I said there's bout that can be done to stop them from skipping. BMW themselfs can't stop it. Ill get some pictures of the modified guides and sprockets when I get them on monday for you. If its clattering. Try find a good garage locally willing to take it on. As its not a easy thing to do atall haha

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