Gsi_Ire
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Hi Folks,
I am just messing around with ladbrokes and some footy based betting, nothing serious.
But I did get bored and picked 7 fixtures across EPL, Spain and France next weekend. If gave me a load of options.
I am going to show how green I am with all this.....
Double (21) - How can you have a double when you have 7 matches?
Treble (35) - Same as above
I got loads of options for accumulator, but I thought you only had one choice with this type of bet.... let it roll and the all must win??
Accumulator (4)
Accumulator (5)
Accumulator (6)
Accumulator (7)
Super Heinza?!?!?!?
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Gsi_Ire
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and sorry, another stupid question, if you pick two teams, but bet on the double, only 2 have to win?
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AlexSXI
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Double (21) means there are 21 different 'double' combinations that could win. So if you put £1 on this bet, you'll actually stake £21 and you will receive a return if 2 teams win, more if 3 win, more if 4 win etc etc because there are more double combinations.
Same theory with the rest.
If you want to just do an accumulator you pick accumulator (7), put the stake in there and place bet.
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I'm sure one of the other lads can explain it even more simply if my reply is a bit of a scramble! 
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JonnyJ
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A double in a 7 team bet basically covers all the possible two team bets you could do within that 7 team selection.
EG>
TEAM 1
TEAM 2
TEAM 3
TEAM 4
TEAM 5
TEAM 6
TEAM 7
Doubled would place a bet for
TEAM 1&2
TEAM 1&3
TEAM 1&4
TEAM 1&5
TEAM 1&6
TEAM 1&7
TEAM 2&3
TEAM 2&4
etc etc etc. until all permutations are covered. You need at least 2 teams to win to get anything back but as your stake will most likely be small on each bet, you might need more than 2 to win to make a profit. If you say stake a 0.10 double then it places a 0.10 bet on all the possible double permutations.
A treble is the same just with 3 teams.
Super Heinz is described here
http://www.aceodds.com/what-is-a-super-heinz-bet.html
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Gsi_Ire
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Ok, that kind of makes sence. So at the moment it the double (21) option will cost me 21 with a possible return of 45. To get that 45 how many teams have to win??
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JonnyJ
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All of them.
The reason you're getting less back is because you taking less risk. Only 2/7 need to win to get something back.
Usually you wouldnt do a double on a 7 team selection unless the odds were pretty big.
[Edited on 06-01-2014 by JonnyJ]
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Gsi_Ire
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Ah. kk. So the 45 return would be if they all won, but not all of them have to win to get a return.
that site is blocked in work, but will have a look tonight.
thanks
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JonnyJ
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Originally posted by Gsi_Ire
Ah. kk. So the 45 return would be if they all won, but not all of them have to win to get a return.
that site is blocked in work, but will have a look tonight.
thanks
That is correct 
A Super Heinz is basically a cover bet. Its 7 selection wager consisting of 120 bets: 21 doubles, 35 trebles, 35 four-folds, 21 five-folds, 7 six-folds and a seven-fold accumulator.
So a quid on that would be a £120 bet with all the options covered.
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Gsi_Ire
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quote:
Originally posted by JonnyJ
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Originally posted by Gsi_Ire
Ah. kk. So the 45 return would be if they all won, but not all of them have to win to get a return.
that site is blocked in work, but will have a look tonight.
thanks
That is correct
A Super Heinz is basically a cover bet. Its 7 selection wager consisting of 120 bets: 21 doubles, 35 trebles, 35 four-folds, 21 five-folds, 7 six-folds and a seven-fold accumulator.
So a quid on that would be a £120 bet with all the options covered.
Sorry, last question. you have been so helpful!
I understand Accumulator (7) means the money from one rolls on to the next and they all have to win. but whats does Accumulator (4), (5) or (6) work?
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JonnyJ
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Usually I'll pick a 5 team acc and cover it with a treble. Tend not pick teams any less than Evs and chuck a few draws in there.
The idea being that if my 5 team doesnt come in, so long as i get 3 right, it covers the cost of my bets with usually a small profit.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gsi_Ire
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Originally posted by JonnyJ
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Originally posted by Gsi_Ire
Ah. kk. So the 45 return would be if they all won, but not all of them have to win to get a return.
that site is blocked in work, but will have a look tonight.
thanks
That is correct
A Super Heinz is basically a cover bet. Its 7 selection wager consisting of 120 bets: 21 doubles, 35 trebles, 35 four-folds, 21 five-folds, 7 six-folds and a seven-fold accumulator.
So a quid on that would be a £120 bet with all the options covered.
Sorry, last question. you have been so helpful!
I understand Accumulator (7) means the money from one rolls on to the next and they all have to win. but whats does Accumulator (4), (5) or (6) work?
Like a treble/double, just it does 4 teams, 5 teams and 6 teams.
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Gsi_Ire
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quote:
Originally posted by JonnyJ
Usually I'll pick a 5 team acc and cover it with a treble. Tend not pick teams any less than Evs and chuck a few draws in there.
The idea being that if my 5 team doesnt come in, so long as i get 3 right, it covers the cost of my bets with usually a small profit.
No sure how this will looked pasted in...
Date Home Away Kickoff Points Point Diff
Fri 10th Montpellier (17) Monaco (2) 1930 24
Sat 11th Hull (10) Chelsea (3) 1245 20
Everton (5) Norwich (15) 1500 18
Tottenham (6) Crystal Palace (18) 1500 20
Ajaccio (20) Paris Saint Germain (1) 1600 35
Aston Villa (11) Arsenal (1) 2000 22
Sun 12th Espanyol (10) Real Madrid (3) 1800 19
[Edited on 06-01-2014 by Gsi_Ire]
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quote:
Originally posted by JonnyJ
Usually I'll pick a 5 team acc and cover it with a treble. Tend not pick teams any less than Evs and chuck a few draws in there.
The idea being that if my 5 team doesnt come in, so long as i get 3 right, it covers the cost of my bets with usually a small profit.
OK, using that rule of thumb
Montpellier (17) V Monaco (2) (Monaco to win, 24 points ahead of Montpellier)
Ajaccio (20) V Paris Saint Germain (1) (PSG to win, 35 points ahead of Ajaccio)
Hull (10) V Chelsea (3) (Chelsea to win, 20 points ahead of Hull)
Tottenham (6) V Crystal Palace (18) (Tottenham to win, 20 ahead of Crystal Palace)
Espanyol (10) V Real Madrid (3) (Real Madrid to win, 19 ahead of Espanyol)
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Gsi_Ire
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Based on that
€1 Accumlator will only pay out €6.54 but a €1 Treble (10) could pay out €31.30 ?
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Cavey
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Yes, the accumulator would need all selections to win.
The trebles is 10 separate 3 team bets, so would be a €10 stake and would be 31 Euros maximum, should they all win
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Gsi_Ire
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Well that wasnt a bad day, started with E10 and ended up with E38 
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Gsi_Ire
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Well that wasnt a bad way to end the day, caught the Villarreal match as they scored their first coal and finished the day with €45, not a bad way to end the day when I started with only €10
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and thats what I get for being greedy, back €2, ah well!! fun while it lasted, wont be topping up again till the 25th 
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If you want your bet to be worth while and your picking seven selections then just put a seven fold accumulator on.
Means all teams have to win but return will be bigger.
I put a tenner on my seven fold two weeks ago and got 265 back.
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quote:
Originally posted by Seany
If you want your bet to be worth while and your picking seven selections then just put a seven fold accumulator on.
Means all teams have to win but return will be bigger.
I put a tenner on my seven fold two weeks ago and got 265 back.
I am not that interested in losing money as such, just messing around. So if I only win small, but dont run out I am happy, just to fight off boredom in work...
a bit peeved, 9 out of my 10 picks won this weekend, but I am refusing to top up till payday! If it wasnt for Monaco it would have been a clean sweep!
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