N16K
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Location: Belfast, NI Drives: Corsa D SRi, Tuned Cooper S, B
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Saw this mentioned on another forum is this road legal really, would you buy it?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MUST-GO-OPEN-TO-OFFERS-2009-Ford-Focus-RS-2-5-Turbo-The-Real-Deal-/111467746327?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123
if so im sure insurance will be fun 
[Edited on 22-09-2014 by N16K]
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DaveyLC
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Cat B cars can go back on the road but its a real ball-ache.. Plus 'joe-public' can't just buy a Cat B and put it back on the road..
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DaveyLC
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....It'll probably be a flood damaged car too or a re-shell job.
[Edited on 22-09-2014 by DaveyLC]
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PaulW
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There is no valid VIC marker against it... Last ownership change on the car was 22nd June 2014.
<MX04 seq="01">
<MSGCOUNT>02</MSGCOUNT>
<MSGS>
<ID>04</ID>
<MSG1>!! WARNING !!</MSG1>
<MSG2>Category B Total Loss Claim</MSG2>
<MSG3>Break for spare parts</MSG3>
<MSG4>See the condition details.</MSG4>
</MSGS>
<MSGS>
<ID>13</ID>
<MSG1>Plate Change record</MSG1>
<MSG2>See the plate change details.</MSG2>
</MSGS>
</MX04>
<MB04 seq="01">
<CONDITIONDATACOUNT>01</CONDITIONDATACOUNT>
<CONDITIONDATAITEMS>
<DATEOFTRANSACTION>20120404</DATEOFTRANSACTION>
<LOSSDATE>20120104</LOSSDATE>
<STATUS>CAT B BODY CRUSHED</STATUS>
<THEFTINDICATORLITERAL>NOT STOLEN</THEFTINDICATORLITERAL>
<MIAFTRENTRYDATE>20120404</MIAFTRENTRYDATE>
<LOSSTYPE>*</LOSSTYPE>
<MAKE>FORD</MAKE>
<MODEL>FOC</MODEL>
<THEFTINDICATOR>B</THEFTINDICATOR>
</CONDITIONDATAITEMS>
</MB04>
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Mike
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quote:
How to check whether the car has passed its identity check
When a car is written off, it's given a Vehicle Identity Check (VIC) marker by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA). It must pass a VIC and have the marker removed before it can go back on the road. This applies to category A, B and C write offs.
That's from the Citizens' Advice website.
I always believed A couldn't even be broken, the lot had to get scrapped and B could be broken but the shell must be scrapped, the above does seem to contradict that though.
Personally I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, purely because when you come to sell it, there's clearly a lack of belief that it should exist.
[Edited on 22-09-2014 by Mike]
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Brett
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I'd buy a car off Faruq Ahmad any day of the week tbh
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John
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CAT B, ebay shows as Birmingham but location is somewhere crap in Scotland. Seems like a good deal.
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gavin18787
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Its alot of money for ssomething so uncertain. Cat b isnt going to be just pannel damage.......
I would want to see pictures of the damage and work from start to finish
Drives supercharged Tec with torque  
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Ian
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Seen it a few times where you get a second hand shell and the resulting car has a SABTVRO VIN number and the marker remains because you've used a majority of parts.
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Ian
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Also that guy on the Lancer register posting in caps hasn't spent as long in salvage as he probably needs to - the categorisations are nothing to do with whether it needs jigging. In fact once you've had a few you tend to see it as a bit of a lottery based on who inspected it.
I've had serious D and non-serious C.
And Mike is quite right - even if you can do it - it'll be a bitch to move on when the time comes. Loophole or otherwise, you narrow down the number of people willing to buy by a significant margin.
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Steve
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Would you trust anyone that links to a random forum post as evidence to support a sale involving 13ks worth of goods.
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Ian
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The loophole bit gets me as well. Its not a loophole, its a process you've got to go through and when they're convinced what you're saying is true, they'll register the car.
Shame that VIN lookup thing I had stopped working, used that to look up all the FRPs and there are a few SABTVRO in there, I'd suspect that Focus has undergone a similar thing.
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baza31
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Cat b can't be put back on road . It's for destruction of spares (shell must be crushed) logbook is generally held by dvla . You can re shell the cat b and get it back on the road but it must have the vin of the shell your using and the v5 and then go through a check . It also won't be plated any newer than the shell . There used to be a big loophole getting cat b back on road but that's long finished.
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Ian
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In fact - I need something like this - is it paid? Could do with getting VIN/engine/reg date as well if they offer it.
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
There is no valid VIC marker against it... Last ownership change on the car was 22nd June 2014.
<MX04 seq="01">
<MSGCOUNT>02</MSGCOUNT>
<MSGS>
[snip]
<THEFTINDICATOR>B</THEFTINDICATOR>
</CONDITIONDATAITEMS>
</MB04>
[Edited on 22-09-2014 by Ian]
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Steve X16XE
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quote:
Just to confirm, this car has undergone a VIC Check with the DVLA and passed therefore it is fully road worthy.
A VIC check doesn't check to see if the car is road worthy.
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PaulW
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
In fact - I need something like this - is it paid? Could do with getting VIN/engine/reg date as well if they offer it.
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
There is no valid VIC marker against it... Last ownership change on the car was 22nd June 2014.
<MX04 seq="01">
<MSGCOUNT>02</MSGCOUNT>
<MSGS>
[snip]
<THEFTINDICATOR>B</THEFTINDICATOR>
</CONDITIONDATAITEMS>
</MB04>
[Edited on 22-09-2014 by Ian]
Entire MB01
<MB01 seq="01">
<DATEOFTRANSACTION>20110221</DATEOFTRANSACTION>
<VRM>RS59JOC</VRM>
<VINCONFIRMATIONFLAG>0</VINCONFIRMATIONFLAG>
<ENGINECAPACITY>02521</ENGINECAPACITY>
<DOORPLAN>13</DOORPLAN>
<DATEFIRSTREGISTERED>20091230</DATEFIRSTREGISTERED>
<YEAROFMANUFACTURE>2009</YEAROFMANUFACTURE>
<SCRAPPED>0</SCRAPPED>
<EXPORTED>0</EXPORTED>
<IMPORTED>0</IMPORTED>
<MAKE>FORD</MAKE>
<MODEL>FOCUS RS</MODEL>
<COLOUR>BLUE</COLOUR>
<TRANSMISSION>MANUAL 6 GEARS</TRANSMISSION>
<ENGINENUMBER>9D69136</ENGINENUMBER>
<VINSERIALNUMBER>WF0GXXGCDG9D69136</VINSERIALNUMBER>
<DOORPLANLITERAL>3 DOOR HATCHBACK</DOORPLANLITERAL>
<MVRISMAKECODE>M1</MVRISMAKECODE>
<MVRISMODELCODE>HIO</MVRISMODELCODE>
<DTPMAKECODE>MB</DTPMAKECODE>
<DTPMODELCODE>652</DTPMODELCODE>
<TRANSMISSIONCODE>M</TRANSMISSIONCODE>
<GEARS>6</GEARS>
<FUEL>PETROL</FUEL>
<CO2EMISSIONS>225</CO2EMISSIONS>
<USEDBEFORE1STREG>0</USEDBEFORE1STREG>
<IMPORTNONEU>0</IMPORTNONEU>
<UKDATEFIRSTREGISTERED>20091230</UKDATEFIRSTREGISTERED>
<MAXPERMISSIBLEMASS>01860</MAXPERMISSIBLEMASS>
<MAXNETPOWER>224</MAXNETPOWER>
<SOUNDLVLSTATIONARY>083</SOUNDLVLSTATIONARY>
<SOUNDLEVELENGINESPEED>03750</SOUNDLEVELENGINESPEED>
<SOUNDLVLDRIVEBY>75</SOUNDLVLDRIVEBY>
<SEATINGCAPACITY>004</SEATINGCAPACITY>
<MASSINSERVICE>000001467</MASSINSERVICE>
<MAKEMODEL>FORD FOCUS RS</MAKEMODEL>
</MB01>
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baza31
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Going on that Paul it's not even got a market against it? It wouldn't surprise me if they have put some phoney plates on for advertising it. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole
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Ian
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That's the not full report I don't think, the marker is in the earlier one, presumably from further down the same data.
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baza31
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Under theft indicator ? Why not cat x ? I bet someone has tried cloning it or something dodgy for it to be down for braking . Wonder if it's possible to find who insured it ? Either way there is something dodgy about it
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