AlexSXI
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http://news.sky.com/story/1451536/passenger-plane-crashes-in-france-reports
Flying between Barcelona and Dusseldorf. 
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Rob_Quads
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Thats not good
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Tiger
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No survivors according to press, 148 on board.
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AlexSXI
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Terrible news, the various media reports certainly suggesting 'recovery' rather than 'rescue' underway.
In a difficult areas of the Alps to access too.
The flight data shows the plane took off from Barcelona and rose to 38,000ft; but was only at 38,000ft for a few minutes before beginning a dramatic descend which took 13 minutes from 09:28 to 09:41 to go from 38,000ft to 6,800ft.
Now reported also that no mayday call was made by the cockpit.
I initially thought a dramatic loss of power would be the cause- but in that case they would've made a distress call.
I now think it was more likely complete loss of cabin pressure rendering all on board unconscious.
**Hopefully nothing more sinister!!!
[Edited on 24-03-2015 by AlexSXI]
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Ben G
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Went off it's flight path also, apparently.
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Rob_Quads
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Largest part is now the size of a car - gives you an idea of the landing.
Even if the cabin lost air pressure there are air supplies for the pilots to allow them to continue to fly.
I think there was a distress although it only came when they were at 19,000ft which was a bit late.
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Rick Draper
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob_Quads
Even if the cabin lost air pressure there are air supplies for the pilots to allow them to continue to fly.
It depends how sudden and rapid the decompression was as it might have rendered them unable to fit the oxygen masks in time before they became totally unconscious.
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Bart
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Im amazed how many aviation experts we have here at CS, cant believe no-one has been asked to fly out to consult 
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ed
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They'd surely be on autopilot at that stage in the flight - if they'd succommed to hypoxia then the aircraft would carry on flying until it ran out of fuel. This has happened before a few times.
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gazza808
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Tbh rick draper probably has a few times the amount of any air miles any of us have... and abit more experience.
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Marc
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I misheard on the news on the way home and thought they said they all survived 
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Rick Draper
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quote:
Originally posted by ed
They'd surely be on autopilot at that stage in the flight - if they'd succommed to hypoxia then the aircraft would carry on flying until it ran out of fuel. This has happened before a few times.
In a slow decompression yes that would happen but in a catastrophic rapid decompression at altitude the auto pilot would not be able to do a thing.
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ed
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I think a high altitude upset could be a probable cause.
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Ellis
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Originally posted by Bart
Im amazed how many aviation experts we have here at CS, cant believe no-one has been asked to fly out to consult
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p
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Originally posted by Bart
Im amazed how many aviation experts we have here at CS, cant believe no-one has been asked to fly out to consult
Steve's fault tbh.
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Ben G
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Co pilot deliberately crashed the plane  Pilot couldn't force himself back into the cockpit for obvious reasons. Some are saying it's a game changer.
[Edited on 26-03-2015 by Ben G]
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Rob_Quads
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Its catch 22.
You either block access to the cockpit from the cabin without approval and have an incident like this
OR
You allow an override to get into the capin which that then be used for things like 9/11
Not sure how without spending $$$ you will prevent this. With money there are ways I guess i.e. All flights that go off-course get flagged by air traffic and if pilots do not respond accordingly the plan gets automatically put in auto-pilot.
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ed
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All the electrical systems on an aircraft are powered by their own busses and have circuit breakers in case something catches fire or goes really tits up. If someone's determined to do something, they'll find a way. Also, sometimes you may need to deviate from what ATC tell you what to do - for example, if you're in a storm and your radios go mental because of static build up on the airframe you're going to get the fuck out of there without asking.
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Ben G
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Why isn't there a loo in the cockpit? Or at least some way to pass urine without leaving?
Always found that bit strange. Saw it last year. The stewardess closed the curtain, pilot came out, had a piss then went back in. Very strange considering the security threat.
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Jambo
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Paint tins
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
Why isn't there a loo in the cockpit? Or at least some way to pass urine without leaving?
Always found that bit strange. Saw it last year. The stewardess closed the curtain, pilot came out, had a piss then went back in. Very strange considering the security threat.
so they dont take valuable space up for the money making they do for passengers at a guess.
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Ben G
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Originally posted by Jambo
Paint tins
ojc could teach them a thing or two.
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Bart
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quote:
Originally posted by ed
All the electrical systems on an aircraft are powered by their own busses and have circuit breakers in case something catches fire or goes really tits up.
Installing circuit breakers will not prevent a fire, infact they can often be worse to use than fuse protection in some circumstances.
But you are right, most critical electrical (and Hydraulic) systems will have a backup supply.
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Steve
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Why cant they just have a pin code access on the door 
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Ian W
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Originally posted by Steve
Why cant they just have a pin code access on the door
I would assume so if it is hijacked someone cannot give the hijackers the pin code so the cockpit cannot be accessed once sealed from inside.
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