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ed
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2nd Jan 06 at 19:27   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

After I have painted my car I want to Waxoyl the underside of the vehicle and the arches, to make it really clean and nice again.

Do you just paint Waxoyl on with a brush or is it sprayed on? And is it black or clear or available in both colours. I would prefer black

I'm going to Hammerite the fuel tank too as it's looking a little on the rusty side, and I don't want to go through that hassle again at the MOT station

Oh and I'm going to be Hammeriting the rear beam, and all the font suspension parts.

Any other tips for geeky stuff like this? Before anyone says this is stupid too, they should consider the ammount of modded sheds on the road.
rallyman
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you can get Waxoyl in both black and clear mate, but stick to the genuine stuff as it applies better.
i have alwaysapplied it through a shultz gun by putting the waxoyl in an empty shultz tin.

before using it warm it up in a bucket of hot water as it will go on better.

personally i wouldnt use hammeritew for suspension components/fuel tank as it chips easily. i would go to a local automotive paint suppliers and get a litre of polyurethane paint, a lot more duarble.
ed
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2nd Jan 06 at 19:38   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

What do you mean by a shultz gun?

Will look into the Polyurethane paint, or powder coating if I can get a decent deal on it...
rallyman
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http://www.bennetts.com/garage/bodyshop?categoryId=363

here is a choice of the applicator im talking about mate.


polyurethane is whats used to paint plant machinery because of its durability and ease of use.
ed
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Fantastic
ed
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Oh, does Waxoyl drip easily too?
rallyman
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it does a little till it dryes, but it is worse if you dont use the genuine stuff. i used some tetrosyl stuff on my nova last year after a bare metal respray inside and out and everytime i parked it up in the sun it used to melt and drip out from underneath.

think halfords sell it for about £18 a tin.
ed
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Melt Yepp, will be using the genuine stuff only then!
Kiddy_Corsa
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3rd Jan 06 at 15:03   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

I need my car waxolying... Wouldnt be able to do it myself tho
Jake
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why not?
Kiddy_Corsa
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Havent got a clue how?

Just twat it on?
dna23
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this might help you ed; http://www.mgcars.org.uk/MGF/mgfaq2.htm

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Originally posted on http://www.mgcars.org.uk/MGF/mgfaq2.htm
Waxoyl
Waxoyl is a trade name of a product that has been around for many years and was a favourite PDI extra in the old days before cars were rust proofed at the factory.

Waxoyl is a substance for coating car parts. It protects metal from outer humidity.
Principals: where no water gets on metal there will be no rust.
It never gets `dry´ or hard because it is Wax. And it creeps in each small gap, when it is well warmed.

Before using it on older cars one should remove existing rust for example with ´Fertan`. That stuff changes the rust to another iron-oxide and must be washed off with water.

Use a compressor paint sprayer instead of the flimsy hand pump which Waxolyl supply.
Do NOT heat up when applying or before applying as this causes the constituents to separate and not work effectively. It is best done on a hot day.
Don't get over-spray on the headlight lens, it makes them have a slight milky look.
Remove both the front and rear bumpers, and spray the the bumper bars and metal work that are usually hidden from sight.
It may also prove sensible to to remove the plastic wheel liners too.
Another good preventative measure is to replace the catalytic converter bolts with stainless steel items from Mike Satur.
Full treatement involves 5 different spray-nozzles and a total of 48 points entered for full treatement
From an unofficial copy of Application schematic for the "F". No holes to drill - all 4 wheels off including front inner wheel arches (plastic). No mentioning of removing bumpers though
A compressor is essential to apply the main bulk of the Waxoyl. The aerosol cans are greatly overpriced and next to useless, the red bug-gun sprays are greatly overpriced and next to useless, and the black pressure pumps are greatly overpriced. I would probably say these are next to useless too, but at this point I stopped throwing my money down the drain. Conversely the aerosol cans of Waxoyl underseal are more reasonably priced, work well and produce a nice even finish.

Before starting it would be a good idea to clean all the mud from the rear wheel arches, by hose or whatever means depending on the depth of subsoil. The wheel arches have a desultory spray of underseal here and there, and a quick flashover with paint. Raise the car up on axle stands, take off the wheels, cover the hubs with newspaper and mask anything else you don’t want spraying. Take off the splash guards and the wheel arch trim. Wipe the wheel arches clean with white spirit - there must be no water trapped anywhere. Now cover the wheel arches with the squirty Waxoyl underseal, a medium even coat, including the vulnerable edges (ok, you can brush it on).

Now crawl under the safely-supported car. The undersealing here is no great shakes either. There will probably be several smallish grey primer areas on the floor pan, mostly next to the sill edge and around the large holes punched in the front. Wipe these clean and squirt them with underseal. This is almost fun, and if this were the B BBS I’d say go inside, clean up and have a few beers. Come back the next day and give it another coat. Now the Waxoyl can go on. The Dinitrol (Rover’s rust preventative) on the underside of my car is still fine after 5000 miles and I see no harm in spraying the whole of the underbody, subframes, lower engine bay, spare wheel tub, etc. Just spray everything metal you can see within reason except the exhaust system. Rubber and other non-metal components will not, in general, be damaged (read the instructions on the tin) and may benefit from the protection. The solvents in Waxoyl will tend to dissolve fresh underseal and it may run or retract from the edges so I would leave spraying the wheel arches until next year. Future Waxoyling the wheel arches will tend to ‘heal’ any chips in the underseal.

I believe compressors and air tools can be hired, and the hirer may well be able to advise on pressure, nozzle diameter etc. I’m not sure about long probes though. Of course you could always do the wheel arches then take the car to a garage specialising in this work and watch it being done. You also won’t have a garage floor covered in wax. If you do do it yourself with a compressor then an adequate face mask MUST be worn at all times.




ed
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3rd Jan 06 at 15:17   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Sell your car if you can't do something as simple as corosion protection.
mattyross
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3rd Jan 06 at 18:30   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

ive done exactly that a few months ago before winter.
i have both clear and black spray on waxoyl- prefer the black stuff tho.

did all my sills, seams on fuel tank, drain holes without blocking etc.
finish is good when it dries, doesn't drip and is very durable.
painted my engine mounts and sills in brush-on hammerite too- looks mint and factory finish.


good thinking
jr
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3rd Jan 06 at 19:44   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

waxoil is the way forwards, reckon ive done J18 about 4 times now to be safe
Icy
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do u need to clean out the arches thoroughly before hand etc?
dna23
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quote:
Originally posted by Icy
do u need to clean out the arches thoroughly before hand etc?


from above :

Before starting it would be a good idea to clean all the mud from the rear wheel arches, by hose or whatever means depending on the depth of subsoil. The wheel arches have a desultory spray of underseal here and there, and a quick flashover with paint. Raise the car up on axle stands, take off the wheels, cover the hubs with newspaper and mask anything else you don’t want spraying. Take off the splash guards and the wheel arch trim. Wipe the wheel arches clean with white spirit - there must be no water trapped anywhere. Now cover the wheel arches with the squirty Waxoyl underseal, a medium even coat, including the vulnerable edges (ok, you can brush it on).


[Edited on 03-01-2006 by dna23]
jr
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best bet is to jet wash them icy, tkaes all the shit off, and gives you a clean base to start from
jr
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ed ive personally found the gunds to be shit, best way ive found is the heat the waxoil up in some boilled water and paint it on, looks neater and easier to do IMO
ed
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So you mean use a brush? I would prefer to just brush it on because it's a little neater. I want to put on a few coats to get everything nice and shiney. I'm such a geek for a member of the 'Max Flower' crew
Jake
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3rd Jan 06 at 22:22   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

how can you give the underside a proper clean before hand?
ed
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It doesn't have to be spotless for it to stick as far as I understand. It's just wax which is really really sticky apparently. I was thinking of jacking the car up on axle stands with the wheels off and giving it all a good jet wash...
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Waxoyl is good for the box sections and cavities, but Id sooner use some heavy underseal for the underneath and arches, the Hammerite stuff with added Waxoyl is good.

[Edited on 05-01-2006 by and-m]
CorsAsh
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Ed, I have the dunlop rubber underseal and the spray equipment to put it on with, well worth gettin as its better than using a brush
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i am planning on doing this as ther are a few parts on the underside that look a bi rusty etc
i was going to clean up all i can see on underside
then waxoyl all box sections etc
i was planning on getting sum of the black waxoyl underseal paint stuff tho for in my arches and basically all the floor pan

does this sound ok?

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