WATSON
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At the moment we are starting a large summer house build that ill be making into a gym ect..
Id like to get some power out there to run a few lights, small heater and a few large items (sunbed ect)..
Whats the best way of doing this? costs?
build will be at the back of our house with the leccy box been at the very front, i dont like the idea of ripping up floor ect to get wires underground in the house! would this have to be done?
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adiohead
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found this link:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Taking_electricity_outside#Taking_electricity_outside
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ash_corsa
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Will need a new circuit taking from your existing distribution board, run in SWA, Probably 6mm going on what your planning of having in there.
Will have to be RCD protected and the summerhouse will have to have an earth spike in the ground as its detached from the house.
What kind of house is it? Could the cable not be taken around the outside of the house, either buried underground or cleated to the wall?
New circuits are notifiable to LABC so you'll either need a Part P compliant spark to do the work or pay Building Control to come and inspect it.
If your not competent, get a professional in, you can always do some of the donkey work for him like dig the trench for the cable.
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CORSA NUT
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Call an electrician....
The end.
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CORSA NUT
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quote:
Originally posted by ash_corsa
Will need a new circuit taking from your existing distribution board, run in SWA, Probably 6mm going on what your planning of having in there.
Will have to be RCD protected and the summerhouse will have to have an earth spike in the ground as its detached from the house.
What kind of house is it? Could the cable not be taken around the outside of the house, either buried underground or cleated to the wall?
New circuits are notifiable to LABC so you'll either need a Part P compliant spark to do the work or pay Building Control to come and inspect it.
If your not competent, get a professional in, you can always do some of the donkey work for him like dig the trench for the cable.
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ash_corsa
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Under the Electricity safety, quality and continuity regulations 2002 you cannot export a suppliers earth to an out building (assuming TNCS)
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CORSA NUT
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Your not exporting it! Just extending it. Just like any sub main or garage DB etc
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ash_corsa
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Im only going on what ive read, apparently it applies to all detached garages/out buildings.
I personally wouldn't do it in my own house but just advising on regs.
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CORSA NUT
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I think it means that the main earth terminal should be a certain distance away from the main fuse. Ie you can't just extend the main earth cable away from the intake to any other building?
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Gary
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quote:
Originally posted by ash_corsa
Will need a new circuit taking from your existing distribution board, run in SWA, Probably 6mm going on what your planning of having in there.
Will have to be RCD protected and the summerhouse will have to have an earth spike in the ground as its detached from the house.
What kind of house is it? Could the cable not be taken around the outside of the house, either buried underground or cleated to the wall?
New circuits are notifiable to LABC so you'll either need a Part P compliant spark to do the work or pay Building Control to come and inspect it.
If your not competent, get a professional in, you can always do some of the donkey work for him like dig the trench for the cable.
Part P sparky only needs to test, anyone compentant can install.
By the sounds of what he wants to put on the new supply i'd have thought a small garage board or simelar mounted at the other end of the building. Unless thats what you meant by 'a new circuit'
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Rob_Quads
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quote:
Originally posted by Gary
Part P sparky only needs to test, anyone compentant can install.
By the sounds of what he wants to put on the new supply i'd have thought a small garage board or simelar mounted at the other end of the building. Unless thats what you meant by 'a new circuit'
Part P Sparky is only allowed to certify his own work.
The only person that can certify someone elses work is someone appointed by the building control after you give them building notice. This must be done BEFORE starting the work.
If you do work yourself and don't tell the LABC then your screwed as there is currently no post approval like there is with planning permission etc. All you can then do is get a PIR done but this is more of a general check than one specific to the work you have done.
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ash_corsa
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quote:
Originally posted by Gary
Part P sparky only needs to test, anyone compentant can install.
By the sounds of what he wants to put on the new supply i'd have thought a small garage board or simelar mounted at the other end of the building. Unless thats what you meant by 'a new circuit'
You would be installing a new distribution circuit. Besides, any outdoor electrical work is notifiable and Rob is right in saying a part P spark will only sign off their own work.
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Gary
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Part P won't or can't?
As far as I've always known a tester can test someone elses work.
17th ed states any 'competent person' can install so
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Rob_Quads
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quote:
Originally posted by Gary
Part P won't or can't?
As far as I've always known a tester can test someone elses work.
17th ed states any 'competent person' can install so
Correct they can test someone elses work but all they could issue is a PIR. If they issue a full certificate then they are breaking the rules. Obviously if they want to break the rules thats up to them but they would be liable if anything happened due to the work you had done.
[Edited on 05-04-2011 by Rob_Quads]
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Gary
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Fair enough, Whats a PIR?
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Rob_Quads
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Periodic Inspection Reports (PIR)
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Gary
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So why does 17th say anyone can install if no one can legally test it?
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Rob_Quads
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You can legally get it tested but it must be done by someone appointed by the council. You must first submit buildings notice to say your going to make changes.
Whether you do it yourself or an electrician does it, it needs to be to code. If they are certified they can sign the work off otherwise it has to be done by a buildings council nominated electrician.
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Gary
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Fair enough. Learn something new every day!
Bit stupid that you've gotta tell building control before you rewire something!
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ash_corsa
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quote:
Originally posted by Gary
As far as I've always known a tester can test someone elses work.
17th ed states any 'competent person' can install so
A competent person isn't someone who thinks they know what they're doing, you need sufficient training, experience and qualifications to be recognised as a 'competent person'in the industry.
[Edited on 06-04-2011 by ash_corsa]
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