danbo
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Thinking about a supercharged 1600 engine for a corsa b just wondering if anyone with a lot of engine conversion experience etc has any helpful info on this, I know it has been done before but havent found much info to help.
Also just wondering if anything on this spec below would need changing? For compression or any differences needed for the engine to work with a supercharger.
C16XE/X16XE race engine.
1600 (1639cc)
Bore 80.00mm
Compression 12:1
Ported head (Inlet & exhaust)
SBD Exhaust camshaft 278 degrees, 11.0mm lift (CM16V1.6-H278)
SBD Inlet camshaft 284 degrees, 11.4mm lift (CM16V1.6-H284)
SBD Steel valve caps (LC-4K-S)
SBD INA lightweight cam followers (CMFL-1)
SBD Kent single valve springs (VLS-06K)
SBD Kent lightweight vernier pulleys (CMVP-5)
Cometic laminated high performance head gasket (GSK16-1.3MM-82)
Lightened and skimmed block
SBD Omega forged 80.0mm pistons (PIST-OM80.00XS) with Omega rings
SBD Engineering 129mm steel crank rods (ROD-129S)
ACL Heavy duty main and big-end bearings
SDB Heavy duty main cap bolts
SBD Upgraded big and small steel timing belt idlers
Polished and balanced crank
Oil pump with modified relief valve
Supplied with a set of Bosch cream injectors (744s)
Will be using a manzel inlet manifold
Thanks
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philip2
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is that an engine you have now or a spec of an engine forsale? just it would be a shame to strip that motor. chargers iirc can run more compression that a turbo, but id prefer to see 10:1comp max, maybe lower if possible:S
may also find the cams are too aggressive and have too much overlap for a charger, but would probably make more power top end than mid range with those cams.
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danbo
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hi yer its a spec i may be buying but if would need to change a whole lot of it might be better to not buy that specific one and start from scratch or a lower spec if i can find one. Alot of money though. cheers for the info about chargers,
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AlexW
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Supercharging has the issue of space, Limited area for a charger, and harder to limit the boost vs a turbo.
I presume your doing the typical of looking at mini superchargers, They aren't that good lol.
Also, you would deffo have to lower the compression on that engine, 12.1 is high for a NA engine, Your need to lower it to about 8.5/9.0
[Edited on 17-03-2011 by AW06]
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danbo
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yer and the one the other car used was a rotrex one i think but to suit a different car originally. said it was 170bhp 144torque with mantzel and rotrex.
[Edited on 17-03-2011 by danbo]
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philip2
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id get the above engine and put it on bodies or carbs less hassle, sounds awesome and prob have somewhere around 190+bhp
the only thing i see a problem with on that spec now are the single springs and hydraulics with that amount of valve lift. id be wanting to see solids with that amount of lift and double springs
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danbo
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how much do you reckon would cost to get one built to that spec but using solids and double springs like you said?
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philip2
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on carbs or throttle bodies? as that engine is restricted loads by the mantzel.
if you tel me a budget...ill tel you what you'll get for the money as ive just rebuilt my c16xe virtually the same but slightly milder inlet cam...only 11mm and stuck to hydraulics for now, but ive got race double springs. reckon thats cost nearly 3k without the ex manifold and system
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danbo
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the guy said it cost around 4 and half to 5 grand head ported cos its x16xe so small ports made them larger and stuff so similar to c16xe so i'd have to get that done then the rest looks like just stronger internal parts, some cams, then a manifold and exhaust
I wanted to just stick with a mantzel really and get the best power out of it that it would let you maybe 160bhp on that spec? but then i saw this and thought it would save alot of money over building from scratch so was unsure. seems a waste to use a manzel on it but i just wanted a strong reliable engine really using a mantzel but still pushing out good enough power. i could save if i did it over time. so for 5 grand like he said would i have a spec like that or what can i get cheaper?
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danbo
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i will probably want throttle bodies one day but i quite like the mantzel and just wondered what i could get out of it using one. my main aim is reliabilty
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philip2
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i could build or supply all the parts to build a reliable engine, just means until you get tbs you wont be running the full potential thats all matey. just depends how much you want to spend on a longmotor (sump up to rocker cover)
and i could definately build it cheaper than that matey, sbd are rip off merchants. like with the cams...from sbd..£550 or so as their actually kent ground. i can do newman for £330 a pair. rods they charge maybe 5-600, i can supply steel rods with bolts for about £270. pistons save you about £50 a set. headwork, shimming etc i could also do alot cheaper.....joys of not being a big name company trying to rip people off
[Edited on 17-03-2011 by philip2]
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