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Author Quick Question air/fuel mixture gauge how to FIT !!
luke85
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18th Dec 07 at 16:38   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

You have to test it with the lambda connected, no point doing it without it plugged in. you can get the test lead down the side of the wires with the connectors together
jord77
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18th Dec 07 at 16:49   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

arrr right sorry will go try it now back in a sec
luke85
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18th Dec 07 at 16:51   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

I tested mine the other day but i cant remember which wire it is but on a narrowband its a 0-1V signal.
jord77
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18th Dec 07 at 17:01   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

if u sat the plug flat on a desk the right way up there are 2 white wires on the left and the black on the right how did u test yours ??? how have u got it connected u got any pics
luke85
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you have to have it in the car connected as normal. then put the meter negative to the battery negative to leave you 2 hands free. start the car and squeeze the + into the connector if its thin enough, or you could hold the wire and poke the end of the probe through the insulation, it will only give you a pin hole which will close when you take the lead away again. have you connected your gauge to what you believe to be the signal wire? if you have it will be easier to test it from the back of your gauge
luke85
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18th Dec 07 at 17:13   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Just for anyone who is curious, this is what the signal from a narrowband sensor looks like at different air/fuel ratios:



0.45Volts is lambda = 1 which is the mixture where all the fuel is burned with no oxygen left over

The problem is that it can only read between 0.958 lambda (1.1V) and 1.022 lambda (0.103V)

This translates to reading an air fuel ratio of between 14.08 : 1 and 15.02 :1

both of these are way too lean for a turbo engine which needs to be 11 or 12 to one. so even if your gauge reads rich, it may still be way too lean if you are on boost, thats why the ECU ignores the lambda sensor at full throttle and only uses it to keep the mixture correct at cruising speeds where a turbo car can quite happily sit at 14.7:1
jord77
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18th Dec 07 at 17:16   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

just tested it and its geting 0.4 volts ?? on the signal wire
jord77
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18th Dec 07 at 17:19   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

as well connected the gauge stright to the bat as well and its just sat on rich on the gauge, rev the car it dont move

[Edited on 18-12-2007 by jord77]
jord77
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just connected the mutimeter with the plug conected and its reading 0.4 volts changed the landa sesor yesterday and no joy taken the gauge out of car now and connected it to the bat and conected the grey wire to the signal wire and still nothing

[Edited on 18-12-2007 by jord77]
Dave A
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18th Dec 07 at 18:49   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

get a proper gauge that uses its own wideband sensor, you will never get anything usefull from the one you are using.
luke85
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18th Dec 07 at 22:32   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

0.4V is what it should be reading on idle, on full throttle with boost it should go richer. Have you got an old lambda sensor you dont want? Ive been looking for one that i can rob the connector from

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